Celtic Heroes

Id also like to add... If you are stupid enough to...........
Dice with a random nub or untrustworthy person, HAHAH ur fault!!!!!!!!!!!
Sell account to random nub or untrustworthy person, HAHAH ur fault!!!!!!!!!!!
Fall for scammers ridcolous luring atempts with fake names etc, HAHAH ur fault!!!!!!!!!
Lend items to random nub or untrustworthy person, HAHAH ur fault!!!!!!!!!!
Share ur account, HAHAH ur fault!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If u pay attention to the game rather than fiddling with your self, u cannot be scammed
Stop with the "i was scammed" "Scammer in Prime/Kudos". Its ur own lazy mistake.

Two words :- DON'T DICE

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Took me awhile to read but i wanta know when i did u wrong cyprus ? I simply ask Waaaaay back when what u exspected us to do about your son selling his account? You never did respond, and this post had nothing to do with that i used it as an example of how our memeber returned stuff even though he didnt need to, no matter why he did return doesnt matter the fact is, and u stated it, that our clannies helped get it back. Now that being said what has YOUR clan done to help OUR member? And i dont care who it is if you sell your account or dice or whatever and u are taken then tuff unfathomable. U knew what was being done is stupid and trying to make quick money, in or outta game, and it backfired. Id say lesson learned, dont do it again. I never "ripped" on u cyprus, just wanted to know what u exspected us to do? Sorry u have to jump on the offensive for a simple question

Took me awhile to read but i wanta know when i did u wrong cyprus ? I simply ask Waaaaay back when what u exspected us to do about your son selling his account? You never did respond, and this post had nothing to do with that i used it as an example of how our memeber returned stuff even though he didnt need to, no matter why he did return doesnt matter the fact is, and u stated it, that our clannies helped get it back. Now that being said what has YOUR clan done to help OUR member? And i dont care who it is if you sell your account or dice or whatever and u are taken then tuff ****. U knew what was being done is stupid and trying to make quick money, in or outta game, and it backfired. Id say lesson learned, dont do it again. I never "ripped" on u cyprus, just wanted to know what u exspected us to do? Sorry u have to jump on the offensive for a simple question

It is not up to the clan to sort out the situation. The only person that can return the items/gold is the scammer themselves. The clan, no matter if its Kudos or Prime can try and convience the player the give the stuff back but at the end of the day, the person responsible needs to make the right discison.

Your member was no different to Cyps problem. Quick and easy cash, and it backfired, just like you said. Tbh, no offense, but if ur dumb enough to do such thigs and get urself scammed, then u deserve it.

We cannot blame a victim for their actions if he or she becomes scammed because it is a slippery slope to validate the idea of "provocation." To show you how clearly insane the idea of provocation is, consider the following defense of someone being accused of sexual harassment.

"She would not have been attacked, if she wore a longer skirt" = Btw this is nonsense

"____would not have been _______, if ________________" = framework stripped

" X would not have been scammed, if X did not give out password"

"X would not have been scammed, if X did not give out gold during dicing"

We all know wearing short skits, giving out passwords in trusted deals, or giving out gold during dice games, can be potentially dangerous, but so is surfing, and some guy in venice got struck by lighting and passed way surfing in Venice California 2 days ago , the problematic issue with scams is exploitation of trust. It violates the right we all have and should maintain collectively on Danu, that is freedom.


Just as the Prime chief has investigated and collaborated with _______to resolve a matter that damaged the strength of Kudos, trust that we are doing the same to collaborate with _______ to resolve a matter that damaged the strength for prime. I spoke with _______ as soon as this allegedly happened, lined my chief and let the bureaucracy do what it does.

The rookie mistake of this thread was the auto-generalization to entire clan, which of course started the bias binding tug a war that we always go through, derailing the thread with tangents. The only thing that does is causes Morgana to drop the lock hammer on the thread. Regardless though, losing a toon sucks, and losing 4 million sucks. That is all.

We cannot blame a victim for their actions if he or she becomes scammed because it is a slippery slope to validate the idea of "provocation." To show you how clearly insane the idea of provocation is, consider the following defense of someone being accused of sexual harassment.

"She would not have been attacked, if she wore a longer skirt" = Btw this is nonsense

"____would not have been _______, if ________________" = framework stripped

" X would not have been scammed, if X did not give out password"

"X would not have been scammed, if X did not give out gold during dicing"

We all know wearing short skits, giving out passwords in trusted deals, or giving out gold during dice games, can be potentially dangerous, but so is surfing, and some guy in venice got struck by lighting and passed way surfing in Venice California 2 days ago , the problematic issue with scams is exploitation of trust. It violates the right we all have and should maintain collectively on Danu, that is freedom.


Just as the Prime chief has investigated and collaborated with _______to resolve a matter that damaged the strength of Kudos, trust that we are doing the same to collaborate with _______ to resolve a matter that damaged the strength for prime. I spoke with _______ as soon as this allegedly happened, lined my chief and let the bureaucracy do what it does.

The rookie mistake of this thread was the auto-generalization to entire clan, which of course started the bias binding tug a war that we always go through, derailing the thread with tangents. The only thing that does is causes Morgana to drop the lock hammer on the thread. Regardless though, losing a toon sucks, and losing 4 million sucks. That is all.

Your entire statement is literally contradicted by Admin in the stickied/announcement threads right here....

Midnite do yourself a favor and read those threads. Then google, Formal logic, "conditional statements" and "if then statements" and the word "contradiction". After that whisper when you need shadvar (sp) killed, because it you clear need some assistance, in and out of game.

There appear to be calls presently, and from some quarters, for some form of collaborative war against scamming and it's perpetrators.
If this is indeed so, then it is not before time, I should say, and it is something that I would whole-heartedly support in principle.
If it were to prove successful though, then it should certainly not be used as a tool for political point scoring and one-upmanship... Political jousting has no place in it.
In addition, and as with any war, it is also important to choose one's battles wisely.
Now to my mind, the Cyprus scenario was a prime example (pun not intended) of a worthy cause and commendable action.
In my experience, and to my knowledge, Cyprus has always conducted himself honourably, and with integrity, and he rightly deserves recognition and support for that, just as any element within Prime that aided in the successful resolution of the matter I would also applaud.
This latest topic however, I would view somewhat differently.
I confess that do not know all the facts behind the recent dicing altercation, but from the posts of predecessors, it appears that a wager was made but not paid out. Perhaps I am wrong in this, but I seem to recall a post a few weeks ago that showed (via screenshots), the named subject of this dicing injustice, perpetrating the exact same act they are alleged to be a victim of here.
If this is indeed a case of someone falling foul of their own foul practices, then I would question why the burden of morality in this matter should be placed solely on Kudos shoulders.
I realise that some may take a 'reap what you sow' viewpoint to the above, whilst others will maintain an opposing 'two wrongs don't make a right' standpoint. 
Which ever side you fall on however, I still cannot see (given the information at hand) how seeking recompense is viable in this set of circumstances.
Even from a practical and logistical standpoint, if Kudos see to it that someone in Prime (who has been accused of the same thing) is compensated, what then for us Primes?
Do we then have the burden of tracking down everyone that our own member may have done this same thing to, and requiring that they redistribute the funds accordingly?
I agree with Cyprus that dicing is indeed a folly, and best to be avoided, full stop. Yet I also believe that poor judgement doesn't exonerate those who exploit it.
On the face of it here though (and unless more information comes to light), there is simply nothing to be done (at least regarding settlement), and save for both clans keeping a watchful eye on the respective participants in this dicing debacle. Perhaps future clan membership / status decisions may also be effected by what they find.

Why is the scumbag scammer still in your clan? It shouldn't even be a question, he should be kicked forever. It's pathetic if a clan is so desperate for members they need to allow scammers to stay.