Celtic Heroes

I dont know why you guys keep saying its so easy to die to a regular mob so you must have idols to kill them. Maybe you are fighting mobs way over your level? Perhaps you are undergeared for your level? Maybe you put all your stat points in str and have a crappy 10 vit build? Maybe you are fighting mobs in the middle of a room full of enemies? Maybe your druid thinks he or she is a mage and keeps dpsing when they should be healing? Lots of reasons why people die and it has nothing to do with idols being in the game.

Since there seems to be some confusion of how a regular mob can kill you, let me explain. Ive been lvling with rogue friends from 140 till now, as it makes the kills very fast. Even with my 3.6k life lvling build, and with lifesteal that heals 600-800 every time used, i die very commonly. How? No. Not bc i dont have regains, sigils, or a health elix. I have all of them. Try enemies who hit 600 dmage per hit, crushing blow does 1k-3k dmage, have a aoe that does 1k dmage, and hit relatively fast. That should do it, dont you think? And lets say that its my fault i dont lvl with a tank all the time so he can absolve all the dmage (nvm the fact i wouldnt lvl with a tank cause he wouldnt be dealing any dmage, lowering my amazing bar per lix :/) the tank, im sorry, can die too... Imagine two trolls or any other mob grouped up on the tank (the way the mobs are, they r all op, not just trolls...) while one is being damaged by us, and dealing 300-400 dmage on the tank, with crushing blow and aoe dmage coming at least once a kill, this other mob is just partying away, dealing 300-400 dmage at a great speed, not being attacked, and kills the tank... Point is, that no matter what "strategy" the game requires, not everyone has the means to use it. Some clans, like i said earlier, dont have druids, and someone tried calling these druids unloyal. Imagine ur a druid, in a clan where u spend like 50 idols a day on bosses you cant beat (thanks, idol nerf), and the end game clan is pushing you to join them with promises of dl (after all, they got no competition any more), and you finally crack down at your clan bc they cant help you, and you just want to move on. I dont think this will be a rare scenario. In fact, it will happen to any class that the endgame clan decides they need. All competition will be demolished, and the fun in the game will be evermore so nonexistant. I think that the idol nerf is a dumb, unthought through idea, and i think that otm has better things to do then lose more players then they already have.
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I dont know why you guys keep saying its so easy to die to a regular mob so you must have idols to kill them. Maybe you are fighting mobs way over your level? Perhaps you are undergeared for your level? Maybe you put all your stat points in str and have a crappy 10 vit build? Maybe you are fighting mobs in the middle of a room full of enemies? Maybe your druid thinks he or she is a mage and keeps dpsing when they should be healing? Lots of reasons why people die and it has nothing to do with idols being in the game.

It is easy to die in this game.. Even for an end-game player with some of the best gear... Strange to think it isn't. Trolls can hit you with a 5k crushing blow, Chosen bolgs can hit you for 2k+, as can Shamans. Theirs standard mobs that can 1-hit (non-warrior) toons with a moderate amount of health... This is not the case in ANY MMO that I have played.. Certainly not one with harsh death penalties. No standard mob should ever be able to 1-hit a toon of the same level or higher.. Only Bosses should (I'm 20 levels higher than these toons).

Either way, the change is coming, so stock up on Idols whilst you can (as I'm sure everyone wanting the nerf has already done) lol.

I wont write now a comment that goes through everything said as i'll have to re-read comments and i'll make it quick, 2 things.

1. Getting to bosses without dying, challenge made by OTM? Well if so maybe inv pots should have been removed then.
2. After idol nerf, i would like to know and thats a serious question, if those in favor (idc who or what) of idol nerf will have the current idols after nerf, will u use them? Or will u sell them so u can enjoy the new challenge?

I wont write now a comment that goes through everything said as i'll have to re-read comments and i'll make it quick, 2 things.

1. Getting to bosses without dying, challenge made by OTM? Well if so maybe inv pots should have been removed then.
2. After idol nerf, i would like to know and thats a serious question, if those in favor (idc who or what) of idol nerf will have the current idols after nerf, will u use them? Or will u sell them so u can enjoy the new challenge?

I will sell all of mine to weaker clans
I am looking forward to the challenge as i currently run a 10 vit build and rarely die which shouldnt be possible

Maybe if Survivability was better for casters Death wouldnt be an easy way out. If idols reset energy to 1k regardless, I am full against them. If they add 1k energy, Thank you OTM!

Maybe if Survivability was better for casters Death wouldnt be an easy way out. If idols reset energy to 1k regardless, I am full against them. If they add 1k energy, Thank you OTM!

One sec... Ressuruction idols are to bring you back to life. Sadly, they cant be used to give u full hp if u use them when u rnt dead. Why should they be able to give more energy when hp is set to only 1k and not full? Were otm to come out with idols that brought everything to max (ho and energy,) i assure u the concept would make more sense (why do idols only bring back health? Ur dead, now ur fully alive. Full energy plz....), and otm would make a profit without millions of players arguing. (Only those who planned to sell 10k idols when idol nerf came in might argue)

Maybe if Survivability was better for casters Death wouldnt be an easy way out. If idols reset energy to 1k regardless, I am full against them. If they add 1k energy, Thank you OTM!

They reset energy to 1000 if you have 999 or below, you respawn with the same amount if you die with 100+

1. Getting to bosses without dying, challenge made by OTM? Well if so maybe inv pots should have been removed then.

Invis pots was the plat option for players who can't find ranger friends to camo them, or a group to help them get to the boss.
OTM (admin) said this was the reason why the tunnels/hallways/path are narrow. It was in the beta forums iirc.

As for those taking on enemies without proper groups, I would just quote what admin said last year when they added the idol timer.

part of the challenge is to create clans and groups that are balanced and able to take on difficult enemies. Really we would much rather potions and idols were not used during boss fights so players could face a genuine challenge, but since this isn't possible we have added timers that limit how many can be consumed in order to keep things from being trivial.

Clearly, the timer isn't enough as they probably watched and notice that people still treat death as a good thing and still zerg mobs by idoling over and over.

I posted this example in another thread about idols.

I keep a stack of deathcaps around when I'm leveling solo as a rogue, and I use them when I'm low on health.

This is because I have 4k health on a combo lix. When I am super low on health, suicide + idol is way cheaper than four restos, both money-wise and time-wise.

I'm not joking when I say that dying and idoling is by far the best way to regen my health. I used this strategy from level 120 to 160, and I have saved a lot of restos this way.

I believe this example highlights a larger problem where druids heals are replaced by plat items. Now, I'm not saying that nerfing idols will fix this. But I think it's a step in the right direction.

Also, I'm curious if anyone else has done "suicide leveling." I know it doesn't work too well for mages because of the long cool down on attune.