Celtic Heroes

Ok so i avoid arena entirely, i hate waiting hours on end, boredom sets in well before killian spawns but in the arena, it doesnt matter if an account is a main or an alt. they both have the quest, they both require experience to level, they are only controlled by one person. Whats the difference if the same 2 accounts were just owned by 2 different people. Absolutely nothing, i wait account after account after account, that could be a total of 6 hours! That could be my entire day. I hardly play 3hrs a week and i wouldnt want to spend 6hrs a day (not including wait time of other players) waiting for 250k xp on 3 accounts...

And everytime there is atleast 2 people waiting, thats at most an extra 4 hrs, so looking if i went back to back killian kills thats 10hrs, now if i were to do one alt waits in line at a time thats approx 18hrs of waiting provided killian spawns every 2hrs, sounds a bit rediculous, having to wait upwards of 18hrs a day. Hey id like to see anyone do that.

Now tell me how you propose for us to complete our killian quests every day of the week, assuming we have lives outside of the game, (work, study, social and sporting.) this suggestion is a joke to all dual/trio devicers. The math proves it so...

Before the thread about the discussion regarding alts in Arena gets lost in the mass of the forum, people need to read this thread first
http://celtic-heroes.com/forum/viewtopi ... 22&t=62228

Some people consider alts as players
Some consider alts as alts

Alts need gold, gears, XP and Killain...
Players having alts that can do Killain need time ...

I play Healmaster and Reelmaster nearly 90% of my playtime at the same time. Bossing together, farming together, camping together. It is extremelly convenient that I can use dual devices because my alts that I consider both mains have exactely the same XPs, they level at the same time. They are both actives, helping in other groups sometimes in quest or in leveling. Some players have time, others dont. That's why some put their non active alts in queue and can do it at different time (during work / lunch time ?) but, once more, these alts are not active contrary to me who am having them actives.

For me it is not a lack of courtesy wanting my active alts leveling as much as your non active alts. That s the contrary, you ask an alt to redo the line which doubles the alt's and players time waiting for killain.

Venus, contrary to 080 said, perfectly grabbed the situation that I am defending.

Considering alts as players for Killiain => All the other players will wait the same amount of time except for the double device player which will have waiting time doubled.
Considering alts as separate entities => at the end of the day every one device player will wait the same amount of time . You're not going to wait less !

If you don't like seeing the same player for 2 hours, you just don't like the player. It's about player and not about the great good for Lugh. I dont mind seeing the same player waiting for Killain for hours because he/she also deserves it !

My vote is obviously for alts doing quest at the time they arrive. If both alts arrive at the same time, they are entitled to do it one after another in the time they appear.
Player 2 Main 1
Player 1 Alt 1
Player 1 Alt 2
Player 3 Main 1

If player 1 alt 1 arrives at Killain, then Player 2 Main 1 (with level req and not with small alt camping for main) arrives at Killain, then player 1 alt 2 arrives at Killain the the line will be
Player 3 Main 1
Player 4 Main 1
Player 1 Alt 1
Player 2 Main 1
Player 1 Alt 2

This is what I find fair and just, and that's what I did when an alt arrived someone else's.

Imagine these situtations:

1/ Player 1 Alt 1
Player 2 Main 1
Player 1 Alt 1
Player 3 Main 1
Player 4 Main 1

2/ Player 1 alt 1
Player 1 alt 2
Player 2 Main 1
Player 3 Main 1
Player 4 Main 1

3/ Player 2 Main 1
Player 3 Main 1
Player 5 Main 1
Player 6 Main 1
Player 4 Main 1

These 3 examples show that the PLAYER 4 will wait excately the same amount of time regardless who is behind the alts.

4/ Player 2 Main 1
Player 3 Main 1
Player 4 Main 1
Player 1 Alt 1
Player 2 Alt 2

In this situation 4, Player 1 has a long wait

What if you ask the Player 1 alt 2 to redo the line?

5/ Let's say that Player 1 Alt 1 arrives in line and is 3rd and nobody is behind.

Player 2 Main 1
Player 3 Main 1
Player 1 Alt 1

Then logically Player 1 Alt 2 is fourth inline if nobody comes.

Then when comes Player 1 alt 1 to be first in line after 2 hours queue, this situation will undoubtedly appear
Player 1 Alt 1
Player 4 Main 1
Player 5 Main 1
Player 6 Main 1


Wow ! By the time Player Alt 1 could do Killain, 3 more toons arrived. Thank you for asking Player 1 Alt 2 to wait for extra 3 or 4 hours and probably missing some boss fights for each of the two toons.
As long as Player 1 Alt 1 has not killed Killain, Player 1 alt 2 cannot queue .... Probably Player 7 Main 1 and Player 8 Main 1 will arrive for queue too.
Result of this => Player 1 Alt 2 won't have any chance to do Killain.

At the end of they day, TOONS are receiving XP and not the players !

hold ur horseys...

it is not being questioned whether u use main or alt...it is whether u can have em line up back to back. as per ak, it is a form of courtesy.

i personally am not bothered waitin on two toons ahead of me because i do not go to the arena if i got no time to wait. we all know he spawns forever or if ur lucky in a jiffy. but the fact remains u go there, u subject urself to a possible long boring wait.

i guess, it will boil down to the player really with the multiple toon to decide. there are such players like AZZ (we dearly miss you, come back!) who instead of lining up two toons in a row, would line up his next one after the last one waiting after he got his first killain. not everyone is AZZ ofc. calla dont line up two toons together too. many more do not really do this.

and not everyone will get Killain, not everyone wanna get Killain. when this was raised it means not all are pleased waitin on the same person. as democratic as Lugh is atm, i think there is just a handful of players that does this, although i may be mistaken, perhaps politely asking the person if u can go ahead might work or not...

I like Healmaster – I have two toons that are equally active / inactive lvling with a few % apart but the rules has always been that you don’t do 2 killian back to back if there are others in the arena. Obviously if your are alone by the time that your done with your first main/main - main/alt then please go ahead and do the next killian, seeing that you are first in line.

I guess the real problem does not only lay with if main/alt is in line, but the fact that there are approximately 24 spawns per day (give or take a few) and there a lot more lvl 170 toons now. => OTM increase spawn rate or introduce the next lvl gladiator to decrease arena tension

B

Ps.: on a side note I was very kindly allowed to exchange Magic’s place in the line for Lady, as Lady is behind on XP for the moment. But that was after asking some of Lughs finest players – you know who u r

At the end of they day, TOONS are receiving XP and not the players !

yah, two toons hopefully belonging to two different players not just one. it is like asking is it better to make just one person happy by giving her two candies or making two persons equally happy by sharing one to the other. by doing so u dont lose the chance of getting ur other candy. u just need to fall in line again. other players do it. im sure u can too.

This siuation will never change as long as people have alts. Pointless debate.

i guess, it will boil down to the player really with the multiple toon to decide. there are such players like AZZ (we dearly miss you, come back!) who instead of lining up two toons in a row, would line up his next one after the last one waiting after he got his first killain. not everyone is AZZ ofc. calla dont line up two toons together too. many more do not really do this.

Lol yes he finally discovered that by doing so it would take so much time that he probably gave up on the game ...

yah, two toons hopefully belonging to two different players not just one. it is like asking is it better to make just one person happy by giving her two candies or making two person equally happy by sharing one to the other. by doing so u dont lose the chance of getting ur other candy. u just need to fall in line again. other players do it. im sure u can too.

You miss the point. Everyone will get the candy. For you it does changes nothing since you'll get your candy. So why asking someone who can get a second candy spend more time on it ? It's like punishing the device players who are able to use multi devices ...

I agree with people saying that the biggest problem is his the spawn time, then more people and alts would get candies. Most probably some who gave up on it will come back in arena.

i guess, it will boil down to the player really with the multiple toon to decide. there are such players like AZZ (we dearly miss you, come back!) who instead of lining up two toons in a row, would line up his next one after the last one waiting after he got his first killain. not everyone is AZZ ofc. calla dont line up two toons together too. many more do not really do this.

Lol yes he finally discovered that by doing so it would take so much time that he probably gave up on the game ...

yah, two toons hopefully belonging to two different players not just one. it is like asking is it better to make just one person happy by giving her two candies or making two person equally happy by sharing one to the other. by doing so u dont lose the chance of getting ur other candy. u just need to fall in line again. other players do it. im sure u can too.

You miss the point. Everyone will get the candy. For you it does changes nothing since you'll get your candy. So why asking someone who can get a second candy spend more time on it ? It's like punishing the device players who are able to use multi devices ...

I agree with people saying that the biggest problem is his the spawn time, then more people and alts would get candies. Most probably some who gave up on it will come back in arena.

im sure Azz didnt leave game because of Killain, dear...smh, please dont even go there. i mentioned him cause he is a reputable player...considerate and wise...devoid of greed...that is how i know Azz.

it is fine again with me...do whatever...ur own clannies see the point...we all got points...and i see urs...like i said i do not go there without setting my expectation. just be in the know that it annoys other people to be waiting on the same player..hogging the arena time which is very much limited. good luck.

I got 3 toons level 190+ and do them at separate hours of the day out of courtesy. most of the time I skip one or 2 toons and end up doing just for one. I'm sometimes seen on 2 toons in arena just to help kill my low dmg druid and tank, never to do back to back. should be considerate to other players. I skipped 10 months of arena that's why I'm only 198 obviously, the bigger problem is account sharing and not saying pass after winning the first drop with the "supposedly" secret alt. but that's a different story and isn't a big deal for killain.

I dont think we are going to come to a resolution. As i said, on Lugh, alts are not always treated identically to players - and i think that is appropriate. we have come up, in most situation, with appropriate ways of doing things that recognize the effort of creating a useful alt (more than one roll when appropriate) without allowing a player to dominate (only one win per player).

We do not seem to be able to agree about Killain. Many people with Alts think it is courteous to follow the rule 'one turn per player' while some others feel that each toon should have full rights, because of the time and effort to build them up, and don't see it as a matter of courtesy just putting in your time. Both are legitimate viewpoints. The balance between "player's rights" vs. "toon's rights" is always going to be tricky.

i am not even certain i want to continue having this discussion where killain is concerned. Though some have not see it as discourteous in the past, they now understand that many people do find it so. Knowing that, i would just let it go and let people decide on their own how they want to play it. I recall doing 2 raggy's in a row (long time ago) and being told off for being so rude. Needless to say, i never did it again because, upon reflection, i think a person's time is more valuable than a toon's time - i.e. each person (not toon) should get a spot in line.

anyway, only one more week of tree xp - then we can all pile into the arena!

cheers