Celtic Heroes

You do know that the game isn't even 12 months old yet right??

My bad, I thought it started in late 2010.

Haven't been on server, so have no real idea what the temperature is. I gotta say though, there really is no point but greed and selfishness for non-wardens to get falgren. Just let the people who dont have that gear, have that gear.

It's not gonna fix the situation totally but I hope it will fix it a bit.

It's been pretty hectic over the last two weeks or so. But yesterday seemed to be a little better, we had a mixed group for belly that consisted of the BadaBing, Uskoci, Celts, and Serenity. I'm hoping we can get many more battles to be like that.

Well the problem continues. Can we consolodate the prior discussions. Too many are being selfish and forming competing groups.

1. Camping: First come first serve. Join the group that already exists. If you want falgren then camp for him.
2. Regardless of when they showed up, nonwardens get priority. Wardens take a supporting role and can do that from outside the group.
3. Check your clans at the door, we are all Arawnites we work together for Falgren.

Can we get some chieftan agreement to this that will be enforced in your clans?

Hey Papi, regarding grouping at falg:

Most of you guys know I have been grouping on a first come first served basis at falg for a few weeks now to help while it's become very crowded ( this can be controlled quite easy)

But saying only non warden can group, or enforcing mixed groups won't work.

I think it's down to the individual who they do or don't want to group, being one of the clan leaders Im not happy forcing people to group with people they dont want to for what ever reason. Also when update hits I'm sure falg will be less camped so in my eyes there needs to be a benifit of joining a clan, one of those benifits is hunting bosses as a clan to help our members before others.... So as of update, we will start to hunt more as a clan, but that being said our clan always has and will invite friends to the kills...... But if any are not accepted please don't take it personal it's just as every clan should, we put our members first

There seems to be a lot of people telling other people what how they should be playing the game. Honestly, i think its ridiculous. if someone wants to camp Falgren and legitimately get in group, get drop and turn around and sell, thats there prerogative, If people want to outfit there alts, thats their prerogative, if people want to get dragons for other people in their clan, or friends or whatever, thats their prerogative.
If you want to tell people what to do then start your own clan and make rules and if people don't follow them then kick them out. Otherwise, stop telling people what they should or should not be doing.

If you want to get in a Falgren fight, then you have to get there earlier and work harder than the next guy...otherwise, stop complaining.

KSing, bullying, and scamming are things we should be working together to rid Awarn of, but this who-should-do-what-at-which-boss is just silly.

And Papi, no, I will not be enforcing your rules in Serenity.

The point is this is a discussion. I was trying to consolidate ideas. What do you propose? Arawn is becoming hostile and that is not acceptable. There needs to be some order. Suggest something.

So anabelle it appears that a pure KS match between mutiple groups is fine with you? Do you really mean that? (Oh and I am a clan chief but took a month off for personal reasons and the clan needs to be rebuilt.)

Rattlebones: I agree with everything you said, clans should group together, but Falgren is a bottleneck in the game and a source of contention.

If we insist on a KS fest it will spill over to other areas and that is a world nobody wants.

Can we come to some compromise agreement between clans?

Papi, I don't think that anything three people agree on in this forum can be enforced server wide... I personally will continue to support people who i feel play fair and maturely, but i can't feel good about telling other people what to do or not to do. I can tell you that if people act selfishly or dishonestly in our clan, they probably won't be around for long. But I can't police the whole server.

I feel your frustration, but i don't see a solution other than good players helping other good players get their quest items.

Papi, I don't think that anything three people agree on in this forum can be enforced server wide... I personally will continue to support people who i feel play fair and maturely, but i can't feel good about telling other people what to do or not to do. I can tell you that if people act selfishly or dishonestly in our clan, they probably won't be around for long. But I can't police the whole server.

I feel your frustration, but i don't see a solution other than good players helping other good players get their quest items.

Agreed. All clans have morons and good people, it's the fact of things. The mature players can only do their best to promote and help other mature players and maybe who knows a clan will finally kick all the morons and just be mature, but haven't seen it yet, and I doubt it will happen

My point is if the clan leaderships can agree on something then it will be the standard. Let the clans enforce the agreements however they choose. At least a line in the sand is better than nothing.

Any society has two means to establish its culture. A legal standard and a moral standard. The legal standard is enforced while the moral standard is encouraged. OneThumb enforces the legal standard by banning players. Clan Chiefs can establish laws of the clan subject to removal from membership. But the society establishes a moral standard that is only enforced by shunning of the community as a whole.

Does Awawn want a moral standard as what is acceptable behavior? You will always have your bad actors but "bad" is only defined if there is a standard.