Celtic Heroes

Entangle doesn't change animation speed whatsoever. It just cuts the attack speed in ½ of the mob entangled. This is especially useful if short on druids or if you're a spear ranger. It may seem it has no effect but has been proven to work. Entangle plus lightheal makes a spear Ranger awesome

Regarding evasion, it's labeled as movement attack evasion. I think it should be changed to weakening attack evasion as its a debuff rather than a movement skill like bolas or roots. Movement evasion is high on raid bosses to make ss evade way more often and so people just don't root kill mordris or whomever they want. Anyone could rootkill mordris with enough Rangers and druids if they really wanted.

A spear ranger gives up ranged combat and actually does less dmg than his bow wielding counterpart. There is no point making a spear ranger when a spear rogue is vastly superior.

I mean, the name of the class is ranger.

@Yakat

Rangers are usually associated with the wisdom of nature, yet can be as deadly as the most skilled assassins if need be. They are the jack of all trades, harnessing the power of nature to cloak themselves and blend with their environment, slow down and ensnare the enemy's hands and feet, sharpen their weapons to a deadly pierce and preserve life through the art of healing. Rangers tend to be extremely dexterous, making them able to wield a repertoire of weapons. While most skilled with the bow through which they shoot arrows with deadly precision, they tend to be well versed in other forms of combat such as melee (i.e spear wielding and knuckle blade combat) although they pale in comparison to their warrior counterpart.

Rogues are stealthy and dexterous characters, able to sneak up on foes and backstab them from hiding. They focus on dodging attacks rather than withstanding damage and tend to eliminate their foes in the least amount of moves possible. They are extremely skilled with daggers, often dual-wielding them and rely on their speed and rapid strikes rather than sheer damage output. As with rangers, they can use their stealth abilities to disappear from sight and restrict the enemy when he is least aware.

Taking up a spear rather than a bow means I should still be proficient with it and be able to cast skills, save my skin and kill my opponent. That is not the case currently. A rogue's power remains the same if not doubled when using a spear (doubled with Mordris spear and rondel) while a ranger is left with skewer and laughable skills that can barely kill mobs 50 levels below him.

Your not even listing all ranger skills,rangers have x2 attack also . BIASED

Your not even listing all ranger skills,rangers have x2 attack also . BIASED

You can keep that narrow-minded outlook as much as you want. However, it can't hide the fact that you obviously did not read my post and the specific mentions I made as to which skills I chose for each comparison. I also listed all skills in my first chart, so your point is invalid.

Thanks for taking a keen interest in putting me down. It doesn't affect me hate to tell ya

Your not even listing all ranger skills,rangers have x2 attack also . BIASED

How come rangers have doubled attack? Steady isnt even close to double their attack.

Anyway, I completely agree except on one thing. U said this is meant to compare the two dps dealing classes in celtic heroes, but IMO and same goes for many others, if we should not go by equal dps to several classes, the crown should go to the crown-wearing-cant-stick-up-with-energy mage.


Although as for lvling, most ppl's lvling are expensive because they want higher dps, so they save on time and some xp's. Rangers who go with their crappy dps at mid-game lvls but high survivability use more xp's as well. Must say, that if u want fast and effective lvling while being cheap, get a steady druid partner and adjust ur build to lower survivability but enough for the druid to be able to keep up. When is that trick the best? IMO with mage-druid, since I do that, my mage alone at lvl 116 can go with much lower health, much higher dps than an average mage and use maxed Sacrifice and i lvl with a super knowledge elixir only, the druid as well, I dont die unless theres a mistake, and mistakes happen. Also due the very high focus i can have on him i have high energy pool (5.6k i think) and even a normal energy regen elix (the lowest tier one, lower than super) keeps my energy to full, but thats as a lvl 116 mage.

I did the same as a rogue, broke my met set, used high dps gear, used gear such as eng crown, at first used brace but decided to give it up for more dps and added energy regen elix and lvled with a druid. The druid healed, i took 5 mobs at once and used riposte, was easiest and fastest lvling ive ever had, and even tho i used heroic haste,super xp, and heroic eng, it was CHEAPER than using just super xp on my mage because i got twice as much xp (at higher lvl as well), thus lvling was cheaper and faster.

Overall, if rogues think their survivability is low, perhaps they should use items and skills that add to their survivability like most of ppl do with their classes, and adjust their vit. If u go with 10 vit, no health boosters and no armour boosters and go head-on, then dont expect not to die and blame it on lack of druids.

Excellent thread, and obviously you see the comments of butthurt power hungry rogues who want to remain on top. Think about the game FFS not about yourself.

Your not even listing all ranger skills,rangers have x2 attack also . BIASED

How come rangers have doubled attack? Steady isnt even close to double their attack.

Anyway, I completely agree except on one thing. U said this is meant to compare the two dps dealing classes in celtic heroes, but IMO and same goes for many others, if we should not go by equal dps to several classes, the crown should go to the crown-wearing-cant-stick-up-with-energy mage.


Although as for lvling, most ppl's lvling are expensive because they want higher dps, so they save on time and some xp's. Rangers who go with their crappy dps at mid-game lvls but high survivability use more xp's as well. Must say, that if u want fast and effective lvling while being cheap, get a steady druid partner and adjust ur build to lower survivability but enough for the druid to be able to keep up. When is that trick the best? IMO with mage-druid, since I do that, my mage alone at lvl 116 can go with much lower health, much higher dps than an average mage and use maxed Sacrifice and i lvl with a super knowledge elixir only, the druid as well, I dont die unless theres a mistake, and mistakes happen. Also due the very high focus i can have on him i have high energy pool (5.6k i think) and even a normal energy regen elix (the lowest tier one, lower than super) keeps my energy to full, but thats as a lvl 116 mage.

I did the same as a rogue, broke my met set, used high dps gear, used gear such as eng crown, at first used brace but decided to give it up for more dps and added energy regen elix and lvled with a druid. The druid healed, i took 5 mobs at once and used riposte, was easiest and fastest lvling ive ever had, and even tho i used heroic haste,super xp, and heroic eng, it was CHEAPER than using just super xp on my mage because i got twice as much xp (at higher lvl as well), thus lvling was cheaper and faster.

Overall, if rogues think their survivability is low, perhaps they should use items and skills that add to their survivability like most of ppl do with their classes, and adjust their vit. If u go with 10 vit, no health boosters and no armour boosters and go head-on, then dont expect not to die and blame it on lack of druids.

A ranger doesn't need vit at all if he can stand out of AoE. You literally take no damage whatsoever at a boss as a ranger unless you stand in a bad spot and an add grabs you(in which case bolas him and you are once again invincible). I think entangle should be made unevadeable and have bolas remain the same. We shouldn't be able to kite endgame bosses IMO. Spear rangers shouldn't compete with rogues either. Of course some people believe any class should be able to dps. I think OTM needs to officially list class roles in-game and list secondary roles.

As I have stated time and time again Yakat, to make a general comment about class balance, you MUST take into considerations all aspects of the game.

Yes, we stand out of AOE's on most raids, but what about PVP and PvE? Bolas misses a ton-load by the way and no it doesn't make us invincible. It only delays our death because we are still not able to dish out the necessary damage to kill the incoming mob.

Excellent thread, and obviously you see the comments of butthurt power hungry rogues who want to remain on top. Think about the game FFS not about yourself.

I find it pathetic how whenever somebody disagrees with you you feel the need to go straight to discrediting their word by calling them butthurt rogue etc. If rangers want equal dps then rogues need a ton of buffs. They need to have throwing knives. They also need to be able to heal others. Oh and they gotta be able to kite mobs with bolas and slow down their attack speed. Hide would need to be buffed to work in combat. They would need another damage boosting skill as well.

Excellent thread, and obviously you see the comments of butthurt power hungry rogues who want to remain on top. Think about the game FFS not about yourself.

I find it pathetic how whenever somebody disagrees with you you feel the need to go straight to discrediting their word by calling them butthurt rogue etc. If rangers want equal dps then rogues need a ton of buffs. They need to have throwing knives. They also need to be able to heal others. Oh and they gotta be able to kite mobs with bolas and slow down their attack speed. Hide would need to be buffed to work in combat. They would need another damage boosting skill as well.

You seriously need to play a ranger before stating theoretical gameplay rather than factual gameplay.