Celtic Heroes

It seems that anyone who offers a differing opinion to yours is called a harsh rebuttal. If you can't take responses then why are you asking for opinions or even posting for that matter?

Barn, i appreciate your input here and suggestions, but don't you think if the majority of the high levels on Lugh banded together to agree in majority to ban these people there was a legitimate reason? You don't spend much time in arena, or chatting with these people, so i don't think you fully understand the gravity of the situation. I am a diplomatic person, however, diplomacy works both ways and none of them have shown any interest in attempting to change.

If there are legitimate reasons .. Take it to OTM and get them banned. If OTM won't do anything about it .. Then it's problem not as serious as you are implying.

Don't keep them around and ban them from rolls creating a second class of players who are going to be forced to go for clan kills.

I'm not debating whether there is a problem. I am debating the solution.

If there are legitimate reasons .. Take it to OTM and get them banned. If OTM won't do anything about it .. Then it's problem not as serious as you are implying.

Don't keep them around and ban them from rolls creating a second class of players who are going to be forced to go for clan kills.

I'm not debating whether there is a problem. I am debating the solution.

I don't think you're understanding your own argument.

You say if you don't like them then block them, ignore them, don't group with them. That's what we're soing with our ban on them. So it's roght if a few individuals do it but wrong if a community does it? Doesn't even make sense.

Go ahead and have the last word vult. You are the judge, jury and executioner in this kangaroo court of yours.

Go ahead and have the last word vult. You are the judge, jury and executioner in this kangaroo court of yours.

Sorry for having valid points? It's not a kangarro court, there was a vote held and it could have went in any way. Just because it's not "official" law doesn't make it wrong. Once again it just seems that any option opposing your ideals is harsh, unfair, or unjust.

Kangaroo court:

A kangaroo court is a judicial tribunal or assembly that blatantly disregards recognized standards of law or justice, and often carries little or no official standing in the territory within which it resides. Merriam-Webster defines it as "a mock court in which the principles of law and justice are disregarded or perverted".[1]

A kangaroo court is often held by a group or a community to give the appearance of a fair and just trial, even though the verdict has in reality already been decided before the trial has begun.

All barna is saying that we shouldnt let lugh split in a few dominant clans forced to clan kill a boss. He gave a few solutions but that's still work in progress. But anyway, no one anticipates on what is coming. With banning only certain clans/people you only prostpone the problem. A simple example is your beloved hrungnir drama. They are not allowed to join the boss fight but are not allowed to kill it either. If you ask me that sounds ridiculous. At least offer a better solution. Banning certain people from only rolls is not the solution. I can tell you that

All barna is saying that we shouldnt let lugh split in a few dominant clans forced to clan kill a boss. He gave a few solutions but that's still work in progress. But anyway, no one anticipates on what is coming. With banning only certain clans/people you only prostpone the problem. A simple example is your beloved hrungnir drama. They are not allowed to join the boss fight but are not allowed to kill it either. If you ask me that sounds ridiculous. At least offer a better solution. Banning certain people from only rolls is not the solution. I can tell you that

There is no clan on Lugh that can solo Hrung, Mordy, or Necro.

What other options does Lugh Player base have? The only weapon we have at our disposal is joining together to support a ban. What other options do we have that can change their behavior?

The end game players are sick of their behavior and have chosen to do something about it. It is not OTMs job to police the community, that is what the player base does. The democratic society is working as intended as evidenced by the majority being sick of their behavior and choosing to do something about it.

Yee but my main point is everyone can make mistakes. We gave them a good warning. Without joining end game there isn' really a purpose of playing ch, except for killling people in arena. And they may not be able to take down necro or hrung alone yet. But if the ban stays they are forced to try to ks if they want to get a drop. My point is let someone that gets along with both partys solve this and keep all the potty mouthers away while doing this. This is just a problem that escalated badly and no one is willing to make a concession because people don't thrust/like each other. I volunteer to solve this? Or someone else.

So here is the scenario. If they behave well again they can join bosses again. I already see you thinking: they will behave before a boss and misbrhave after when they win a drop. Thats why i propose this:

-let the ban stay for 2 maybe 3 weeks. If they behave well lift the ban. The first moment they misbehave they will be banned. But not for ever. Life long ban sounds ridiculous. Keep it like a home detention. Let them be banned for another month again. If they behave well in that month the ban will be lifted. If they dont the ban remains for another month and so on.

Next question ofcourse will be: Who will decide if they behave or not? Thats easy. If someone has proof( screenshots necesarry. Words aren't enough) then ban them again. If you don't hear anything of them the ban will be lifted.

Is this a good format for a solution?

i see nothing wrong with exclusions for those who do not follow our established modes of conduct - who purposely interfere with the enjoyment of others - whether by scamming, abusive language, or killing you after you have waited for hours for killain.

the route of using block and support is not satisfactory - so as a community, i think it is ok to come up with other potential solutions. Temporary banning seems a natural solution. if they wont conform to our norms in some of our cooperative aspects of play (like waiting patiently in line for killain and respecting the order) then i see no reason to include them in other cooperative aspects of our game.

of course, once the bad behavior stops (which, for some things, is not too hard to determine), they are welcome back.

OTM has given us a framework of the possible. we get to decide how we choose to use it.