Celtic Heroes

What gives someone the right to commit a murder and not pay a fee?
I say an eye for an eye, lets not forget it's more than just the victim that gets hurt. Its more like 4 or 5 lives you destroy.

This is probably the most controversial issue in modern and oldern day society.

"An eye for an eye" makes the whole world blind.

+1 to Arj from me.

What gives someone the right to commit a murder and not pay a fee?
I say an eye for an eye, lets not forget it's more than just the victim that gets hurt. Its more like 4 or 5 lives you destroy.

This is probably the most controversial issue in modern and oldern day society.

For those that say this is a cold thing to say:

A man has just brutally murdered your wife
Would YOU forgive? Awnser honestly, because you're a braver person than I could ever be If you forgive someone for that. Criminals do have rights and as a religious believer I'm ashamed to admit it but I just couldn't forgive

What gives someone the right to commit a murder and not pay a fee?
I say an eye for an eye, lets not forget it's more than just the victim that gets hurt. Its more like 4 or 5 lives you destroy.

This is probably the most controversial issue in modern and oldern day society.

For those that say this is a cold thing to say:

A man has just brutally murdered your wife
Would YOU forgive? Awnser honestly, because you're a braver person than I could ever be If you forgive someone for that. Criminals do have rights and as a religious believer I'm ashamed to admit it but I just couldn't forgive

This is a very hard question, I'd kill him the first chance I get if I didn't cool off, it's important to put yourself in the other person's shoes...

I'll stop posting and see where the topic goes from here for a bit.

The way you put it makes me wonder if you have a heart at all. You speak of criminals as if they are not human beings.

For if you forgive others their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you, but if you do not forgive others their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

Criminals are human beings, yes, but human beings that have inflicted too much pain/suffering on others (not talking about misdemeanors or civil crimes). By doing so they forfeit some of their rights (e.g. the right to move freely, because you can't move a lot in a cell).

And enough with the quotes about forgiving. That is way too idealistic and dreamy; the real world does not forgive. I respect justice.

Quite a few Nazi leaders were captured after WW2, and got convicted for some serious war crimes (some were sentenced to death). Are you telling me you would have forgiven them?

The death penalty is nothing more than an expedited life-in-prison sentence. Personally, I'd rather the worst criminals die quickly, than drain money by sitting in an expensive maximum-security vault for decades and eventually die. That money could have gone to people who actually NEED it.

Criminals are human beings, yes, but human beings that have inflicted too much pain/suffering on others (not talking about misdemeanors or civil crimes). By doing so they forfeit some of their rights (e.g. the right to move freely, because you can't move a lot in a cell).

And enough with the quotes about forgiving. That is way too idealistic and dreamy; the real world does not forgive. I respect justice.

Quite a few Nazi leaders were captured after WW2, and got convicted for some serious war crimes (some were sentenced to death). Are you telling me you would have forgiven them?

The death penalty is nothing more than an expedited life-in-prison sentence. Personally, I'd rather the worst criminals die quickly, than drain money by sitting in an expensive maximum-security vault for decades and eventually die. That money could have gone to people who actually NEED it.

You are no better than the criminal if you sentence him to die.

If he kills 20 000 people, and you kill one (by sentencing him to death), you are both at fault and equally so. You can argue as much as you want, but it's the truth. You have no right to decide whether someone should live or should die. Even in the name of justice, things have limits.

Quit the money arguments, I can come up with a million other things that we can cut our budget from, other than prisons.

You are no better than the criminal if you sentence him to die.

If he kills 20 000 people, and you kill one (by sentencing him to death), you are both at fault and equally so. You can argue as much as you want, but it's the truth. You have no right to decide whether someone should live or should die. Even in the name of justice, things have limits.

Ok by this logic, you are no better than a kidnapper if you put someone in jail.

I'd say the guy who locks away convicted criminals so they don't harm others IS better than a guy who locks up little children in a basement.

You are no better than the criminal if you sentence him to die.

If he kills 20 000 people, and you kill one (by sentencing him to death), you are both at fault and equally so. You can argue as much as you want, but it's the truth. You have no right to decide whether someone should live or should die. Even in the name of justice, things have limits.

Ok by this logic, you are no better than a kidnapper if you put someone in jail.

I'd say the guy who locks away convicted criminals so they don't harm others IS better than a guy who locks up little children in a basement.

That's a poor analogy.

Kidnapping: The crime of unlawfully seizing and carrying away a person by force or fraud, or seizing and detaining a person against his or her will with an intent to carry that person away at a later time.
Prison: A public building used for the confinement of people convicted of serious crimes. A sentence to prison is the harshest punishment imposed on criminals in the United States.

An individual who carries out a kidnapping does so with the intent to do harm while a judge sentencing a criminal to prison for life does so with the intent of protecting society, avoiding the death penalty, and hoping the criminal can repent and return to the right track.

You are no better than the criminal if you sentence him to die.

If he kills 20 000 people, and you kill one (by sentencing him to death), you are both at fault and equally so. You can argue as much as you want, but it's the truth. You have no right to decide whether someone should live or should die. Even in the name of justice, things have limits.

Ok by this logic, you are no better than a kidnapper if you put someone in jail.

I'd say the guy who locks away convicted criminals so they don't harm others IS better than a guy who locks up little children in a basement.

That's a poor analogy.

Kidnapping: The crime of unlawfully seizing and carrying away a person by force or fraud, or seizing and detaining a person against his or her will with an intent to carry that person away at a later time.
Prison: A public building used for the confinement of people convicted of serious crimes. A sentence to prison is the harshest punishment imposed on criminals in the United States.

An individual who carries out a kidnapping does so with the intent to do harm while a judge sentencing a criminal to prison for life does so with the intent of protecting society, avoiding the death penalty, and hoping the criminal can repent and return to the right track.

Murder: the crime of unlawfully killing someone with premeditated malicious intent
Execution: the carrying out of a sentence of death on a condemned person who has committed one or more severe crimes

An individual who carries out a murder does so with the intent to do harm while a judge sentencing a criminal to death does so with the intent of protecting society by 1) eliminating said criminal and 2) deterring other criminals from committing similar crime(s).

An individual who carries out a murder does so with the intent to do harm while a judge sentencing a criminal to death does so with the intent of protecting society by 1) eliminating said criminal and 2) deterring other criminals from committing similar crime(s).

Herin lies my problem. Eliminating someone is never the answer.

There are lesser, more effective methods of punishing a criminal and deterring similar crimes and most importantly, they do not give humans the ludicrous believe that life is a thread that can be snipped on whim. The criminal, just like you and me, is a living breathing entity with a soul.

We have all strayed from the path of justice at one point in our life, some quickly recover and find the light, others get lost in the craving of blood and horror and never truly come back.

Our job as fellow Homo sapiens, is not to eliminate our brethren, but rather re-educate them and show them the true path of light.

If someone had committed a murder, can't be prove we are better than him, by not killing him ?
I know it is hard, almost impossible to forgive. But we still can choose to stop acting, to prove we are better than the other one.
If the world was all about vengeance, it would be endless.
I hit you, you hit me back so I hit you again etc. It would always end in deaths.
We must remember than feelings and fairness almost never fit together. And that killing the murderer is an easy way to feel better, but not a fair way.
Killing the murderers won't protect society more than putting them in jail, it may even be worse because, by deleting the problem, we pretend it has never existed and will never exist again.