Celtic Heroes

Hmm well since Celtic Heroes isn't every other game, idk what you are comparing it too, but I guess some things I have seen on Rangers skill pages are Camoflauge, Conceal, Longshot, Light Heal, Entangle and Bolas, where on the other hand Rogues have Lifesteal, Fast Reflex, Hide and.... Uhh... Bandage wounds?... I don't get how you are assuming rogues and Rangers are equally good at surviving alone, but that is your opinion..

Oh and also, Rogues are supposed to be sneaky and cunning, but where in the game could that actually ever take place? I think OTM just says that because they dress in fancy black cloaks and weild knives... So maybe it is a mistyping that they are sneaky? So with that, let's say they were to change it and say "Rogues beat their foes using lightning fast, hard hitting, fast recast skills" then would you be happy? The actual rogue isn't changing at all, just a title, but I seriously doubt everything said on this thread could simply have been said due to a 'typo' on what a rogue is... People just simply want a rogue not as powerful, which brings me back to the question I asked far above, THAT HAS STILL NOT BEEN ANSWERED.. If rogues werent the top DPS class in the game, who would ever be a rogue? Because as far as I see, that is their only, or at least their main (for those kids that want to argue that rogues are debuffers because of smoke bomb) attribute.

^Rogues werent top dps until carrow release, do u think 0 rogues played back then? OTM doesnt say sneaky maybe, but they also dont call u dps kings.

No lol rogues were still top dps actually... It might have been much closer, but rogues have always been the top dps

^Rogues werent top dps until carrow release, do u think 0 rogues played back then? OTM doesnt say sneaky maybe, but they also dont call u dps kings.

From the beginners guide to rogue in hints and tips section.

"So you’ve decided to create a Rogue character? Excellent choice!

Rogues are masters of speed and stealth, appearing out of nowhere and killing their enemies before they know what’s hit them. In a fight a Rogue relies on speed and high levels of damage to kill its enemies and would certainly prefer to dodge an enemy’s attack than to get hit by it.

Rogues focus on causing as much damage as they can as quickly as possible. They prefer to use daggers in one or both hands and use their speed to cause rapid, precise strikes rather than putting all their strength into one mighty blow."

Emphasis on "Rogues focus on causing as much damage they can as quickly as possible" and "appearing out of nowhere and killing their enemies before they know what’s hit them."

^Rogues werent top dps until carrow release, do u think 0 rogues played back then? OTM doesnt say sneaky maybe, but they also dont call u dps kings.

would certainly prefer to dodge an enemy’s attack than to get hit by it.

Don't all classes prefer that? cmon OTM

^Rogues werent top dps until carrow release, do u think 0 rogues played back then? OTM doesnt say sneaky maybe, but they also dont call u dps kings.

From the beginners guide to rogue in hints and tips section.

"So you’ve decided to create a Rogue character? Excellent choice!

Rogues are masters of speed and stealth, appearing out of nowhere and killing their enemies before they know what’s hit them. In a fight a Rogue relies on speed and high levels of damage to kill its enemies and would certainly prefer to dodge an enemy’s attack than to get hit by it.

Rogues focus on causing as much damage as they can as quickly as possible. They prefer to use daggers in one or both hands and use their speed to cause rapid, precise strikes rather than putting all their strength into one mighty blow."

Emphasis on "Rogues focus on causing as much damage they can as quickly as possible" and "appearing out of nowhere and killing their enemies before they know what’s hit them."

Even more of an emphasis on 'as much damage THEY CAN' and not 'as much dmg as POSSIBLE', and thats the difference, its as much dmg as they can as quick because a rogue attacks from the shadows and quickly must go back into the shadows, a rogue pretty much never exposes himself, thats why hes fast and usually unable to land heavy hits because he goes out exposed for a limited time, thats why rogues are fighters in an instant and not in long periods.

Thats how OTM described rogues from the start, and no, rogues werent top dps before carrow-release, and they know that, the denial is pointless because compared to mages and rangers at u3 they were nowhere near top dps, so if before carrowmore release the 'as much damage as they can' was lower than how much dmg other classes can do, doesnt it mean that a rogue doesnt have to be top dps? Hes great at what HE does, hes not on top between what EVERYONE who can do something similar which is what rogues claim to be.


The sentence that shows that rogues arent meant to be top dps is :

"...........precise strikes rather than putting all their strength into one mighty blow."

That closes the deal IMO, they go for accuracy and speed rather than strength, they're not meant to be the strongest yet they have the most mighty blows (that sounds dirty) in this game, sneaky and assassination, if they unleash all at once its even far stronger. So far, according to OTM, they are meant to be quick and precise, sneaky and stealthy, yet not forceful or brutal, not a head-on fighter, they can deal high dmg but fast and not for long terms, their battles or time exposed during a battle is short between everytime they go out and in the shadows...... They do the best they can, not the best possible.


EDIT : I forgot to add, the weapons issue, I dont get how ppl dont notice its weird to see a rogue with a spear.

A rogue, "master of speed and stealth", does it fit a spear? A spear is slow, if not the slowest weapon excluding mordy halberd, how do they use quick strike, the fastest attack in game, with such a slow heavy weapon? They cant use sneaky attack with it, because such a big heavy weapon can not be sneaky, which completely takes off their role.
So once again, do rogues actually fullfill their role, or do they just claim things that are false and have no basis?

Yet check the largest skill hits on the leaderboard and all you see is rogues LOL. Classes are well beyond unbalanced.

OTM describes the ranger as being "as deadly as the most skilled assassin". This would seem to say that rogues and rangers are supposed to be close in dps.

One of the issues with this thread is it started off by merely stating that rangers need their skills fixed to compliment a strength build. And for some reason rogue players took it out of context that that somehow meant rangers and rogues should be equal dps which isn't anything close to what this thread is about

OTM describes the ranger as being "as deadly as the most skilled assassin". This would seem to say that rogues and rangers are supposed to be close in dps.

One of the issues with this thread is it started off by merely stating that rangers need their skills fixed to compliment a strength build. And for some reason rogue players took it out of context that that somehow meant rangers and rogues should be equal dps which isn't anything close to what this thread is about

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Alb! You are back! Allright, now please answer the question. If rogues ARENT meant to have the highest dps, then what is that class's actual purpose?

Criminal you kinda glazed this question but the answer you gave was somewhat indirect and didn't actually have to do with the question, you said something along the lines of "there were rogues before carrow when their dps wasn't as great", but that isn't quite what I am looking for... I want an actual answer that addresses that... Even if you say something ludicrous like ''to smoke bomb the bosses and poison weapon all of the rangers", idc, I just want your view on why the class 'Rogue' exists if it isn't meant to be the highest dps, either short or long term.