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Re: An Insight on Class Inequality: Rangers vs. Rogues

#371
Hahaha that was almost as ludicrous as my example.... First off, i clearly outlined a Rangers purpose in a post not too far back even, sounds like you need to catch up..

Also..... What? Lmao...... Seriously though, what? Did you really just compare the survivability of a rogue and a ranger, and then even go so far as to include healing? Lmao.... As a ranger you can bolas a boss forever, you have camoflauge skills not only for yourself, but your whole group with conceal, and anyone you choose for that matter... Let's move on to buffs, you really think a rogues only damage buff equals that of a Rangers? Especially in this update? Lol, not even going to go into detail about that... Debuffs, the only debuffs a rogue has ARE THINGS THAT MAKE HIM EVEN STRONGER lol, while a ranger is given debuffs like entangle, bolas, and Longshot if you view it that way and use it effectively... I guess the only thing that a rogue has that a ranger doesn't have in terms of survivability is Fast Reflexes, but still, even with a high fast reflexes, it isn't too effective unless you are training... If you are fighting a boss and you are relying on fast reflexes to be the thing that keeps you alive, God bless you.. But wait... Don't people in ch normally fight bosses with tanks? Well if the tank has agro, FR is 100% meaningless..... I don't know if you were serious or not about comparing those two classes in survivability, but that is definitely not the case
Didy you forget about expose weakness and smoke bomb or are you playing a different game here? I said that rogues have survivability... last time I checked fast reflexes is a survivability skill, am I wrong?
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Re: An Insight on Class Inequality: Rangers vs. Rogues

#372
Hahaha that was almost as ludicrous as my example.... First off, i clearly outlined a Rangers purpose in a post not too far back even, sounds like you need to catch up..

Also..... What? Lmao...... Seriously though, what? Did you really just compare the survivability of a rogue and a ranger, and then even go so far as to include healing? Lmao.... As a ranger you can bolas a boss forever, you have camoflauge skills not only for yourself, but your whole group with conceal, and anyone you choose for that matter... Let's move on to buffs, you really think a rogues only damage buff equals that of a Rangers? Especially in this update? Lol, not even going to go into detail about that... Debuffs, the only debuffs a rogue has ARE THINGS THAT MAKE HIM EVEN STRONGER lol, while a ranger is given debuffs like entangle, bolas, and Longshot if you view it that way and use it effectively... I guess the only thing that a rogue has that a ranger doesn't have in terms of survivability is Fast Reflexes, but still, even with a high fast reflexes, it isn't too effective unless you are training... If you are fighting a boss and you are relying on fast reflexes to be the thing that keeps you alive, God bless you.. But wait... Don't people in ch normally fight bosses with tanks? Well if the tank has agro, FR is 100% meaningless..... I don't know if you were serious or not about comparing those two classes in survivability, but that is definitely not the case
Didy you forget about expose weakness and smoke bomb or are you playing a different game here? I said that rogues have survivability... last time I checked fast reflexes is a survivability skill, am I wrong?
We don't have the ability to Kite mobs around and solo many hard things people make warriors up to tank not for dps people train up Mages for support or dps Rangers because it's a good first class nice and cheap and they have good surviving skills while being the awesomest class imo NOBODY MAKES A ROGUE FOR SMOKE BOMB, REFLEXS AND EXPOSE THEY MAKE THEM FOR DPS!!!
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Re: An Insight on Class Inequality: Rangers vs. Rogues

#373
I dont think the point is getting across. Rangers are not asking otm to make us number 1 dps class. We are asking for our skills to be fixed. Rogues have how many skills they can use for dps to lvl? Qs ls ss rip and double are the usual build skills for a rog. Thats 5 viable dps skill choices to use. The majority of top end rangers use 1, double shot.

Im not talking about bossing, im talking about for leveling. I could care less who gets kill, woopity do i still get s chance at loot.

What im saying is if i go dex build my autos go down and my skill dmg is raised for longshot *only other decent dmg skill* by a small amount, bur doesnr matter because its avoided 60% of time on lvling, 80% on bosses and now my double shot is near useless. So now my autos are crap and my extra skill doesnr add enough to make the difference.

I go strength build and ls is again near useless since lower dex, yes i have my autos back but if u have ever watched how slow somethin dies with just ranger auto u would understsnd how bad it is even with good gear. Even with high atk we still miss auto alot. Now raising str does raise double. So that gives us good but slow autos and 1 skill to use. We arnt asking for drastic changes where rangers rule the dps charts. We would just like our other dps skils not to be broken and useless.
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Re: An Insight on Class Inequality: Rangers vs. Rogues

#376
I dont know where that guy is getting his info from but he needs to find a better source. Mages were without a doubt the top dps before u4, it wasnt even close. Rangers and rogues were 2nd/3rd.

No one is asking rangers to be top dps, the problem is that otm clearly want rangers to be dex based (as shown by bitey's pic) yet all the dex skills suck which means every ranger goes a str based build after lvl 100 or so

As for rogues, like the description says they hit fast and hard and dodge hits. The problem right now is they hit so hard and fast, way more than is probably intended. With speed there is a tradeoff, more speed less damage or high damage less speed. The balance is off because they have insane burst damage, then continue like this through the fight. How it should be (and what arjun was saying) is rogues can take top dps over time with fast but slightly weaker attacks. Mages should have top burst damage.
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Re: An Insight on Class Inequality: Rangers vs. Rogues

#377
Some of you aren't and then others are you Rangers gotta get together and have a group conference and decide U asking to be top DPS/same as rogue or a buff on ur skills
The thing though is this thread was never about rangers and rogues being equal. And a player or two might have said that but look at the majority of replies - give rangers skill fixes.

Also, I've never argued it because I don't care if ranger dps is that of a rogues, the loot is what matters. But OTM itself said rangers were just as deadly as rogues.
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Re: An Insight on Class Inequality: Rangers vs. Rogues

#378
Hahaha that was almost as ludicrous as my example.... First off, i clearly outlined a Rangers purpose in a post not too far back even, sounds like you need to catch up..

Also..... What? Lmao...... Seriously though, what? Did you really just compare the survivability of a rogue and a ranger, and then even go so far as to include healing? Lmao.... As a ranger you can bolas a boss forever, you have camoflauge skills not only for yourself, but your whole group with conceal, and anyone you choose for that matter... Let's move on to buffs, you really think a rogues only damage buff equals that of a Rangers? Especially in this update? Lol, not even going to go into detail about that... Debuffs, the only debuffs a rogue has ARE THINGS THAT MAKE HIM EVEN STRONGER lol, while a ranger is given debuffs like entangle, bolas, and Longshot if you view it that way and use it effectively... I guess the only thing that a rogue has that a ranger doesn't have in terms of survivability is Fast Reflexes, but still, even with a high fast reflexes, it isn't too effective unless you are training... If you are fighting a boss and you are relying on fast reflexes to be the thing that keeps you alive, God bless you.. But wait... Don't people in ch normally fight bosses with tanks? Well if the tank has agro, FR is 100% meaningless..... I don't know if you were serious or not about comparing those two classes in survivability, but that is definitely not the case
Didy you forget about expose weakness and smoke bomb or are you playing a different game here? I said that rogues have survivability... last time I checked fast reflexes is a survivability skill, am I wrong?
We don't have the ability to Kite mobs around and solo many hard things people make warriors up to tank not for dps people train up Mages for support or dps Rangers because it's a good first class nice and cheap and they have good surviving skills while being the awesomest class imo NOBODY MAKES A ROGUE FOR SMOKE BOMB, REFLEXS AND EXPOSE THEY MAKE THEM FOR DPS!!!
And who said we make rangers for support Then?
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Re: An Insight on Class Inequality: Rangers vs. Rogues

#379
Some of you aren't and then others are you Rangers gotta get together and have a group conference and decide U asking to be top DPS/same as rogue or a buff on ur skills
We never asked for that. people only thought we did when we asked for our dps skills to be fixed
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Re: An Insight on Class Inequality: Rangers vs. Rogues

#380
Some of you aren't and then others are you Rangers gotta get together and have a group conference and decide U asking to be top DPS/same as rogue or a buff on ur skills
We never asked for that. people only thought we did when we asked for our dps skills to be fixed
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For some reason a number of players who play rogues were defensive at the request that our dps skills be fixed and be able to compliment a str or dex build. The example was given that rogues have str and dex based skills and rangers would like the same thing. But it was never asked that rangers and rogues be given equal dps. Oh there was prob 1 or 2 ranger players that might have asked this but that is not the request or the argument of this thread.
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