Celtic Heroes

Whats the problem with normal rolls!
U told u want do rolls for class cause u dont want that ppl get drops they dont use. K u really think u or threat for example can use anything u get on big bosses ? U really think its more fair to get a warrior a 3rd spear or mord helm instead give someone else his first ? There will be always ppl that get drops they dont use - whats the problem ? They can sell and others can buy! Thats good, so there is a market for good drops to sell and buy, why not? Not everyone can be in all bossfights cause ppl are busy in rl sometimes (some really hava a rl) and in this way they can buy the one or the other drops. Is that soooo bad? But the most important point for normal drops for me is this - we all fight together - we all do our best for killing that boss - we all should hv a chance to be part of rolls - thats the fair and nice way we always did on epona - so why we change? There is really no good reason to exclude ppl from rolls! I can accept (i dont like) classrolls on edl ok, but on all other bosses i think everyone should roll!

I can see my clan is fighting for Normal Roll and I really do not want to be a black sheep here, but I think Class Roll is more effective.

This situation can be compared to sport with Group and Tournament schedules

Group (Normal Roll):
Everyone for themselves. Who wins, wins (?? really). Ppl who won in most occasions giving to clannies, to bigger clan gives bigger chance to got. That's ok, but You have to be in a big clan to benefit from it.

Tournament (Class Roll):
It's like couple of rolls.
1st roll is done by boss dropping certain classes only (part of the players lost their 1rs round). So argument "I fought I want a roll" is no valid here
2nd roll in classes (less ppl, better chance to get)

About the arguments for getting to sell: as someone noticed, "some ppl got 3 spears", not because they are greedy, but because no one is buying (I spend all I earn on lix, no money to buy stuff I want).
About multiple class items: this is a problem, so a solution would be to roll for every drop separately, but keeping the classes item is for


PS: Sorry guys, but this is what I think, I'm all about numbers, this game is about numbers and numbers says I have a better chance if Class Roll is for every boss.

Good point crusher

No its not a good point, we have not even class rolled at Mordris nor spoke about how we gonna class roll on it.

We speakin about necro which has no drops what multiple classes could use.

And if you gonna start with 'oh i have used so many lixs, did i waste all?'
Then i will tell you some people didnt use a single lix (example that one guy in our ghosts Group) , while i was using 6 this time and at last necro 8. Does he even DESERVE a roll?

But anyways, after the Boss is dead and there sadly is no drops i can roll for then i just think 'Good Job and Good luck, and maybe next time there will be something for me to roll for'

Iam happy if someone can use that drop right after the fight, i dont wanna see how some rogue wins a bow and hoards it untill some dagger drops.

Well this topic started off addressing ALL of the Bosses, including Mord...So are we just switching to Necro and EDL bosses now? I used about 6 lixes and a ton of restos in our last Necro fight as well...If people are going to hoard there new drops for no reason than I am sorry...But look I have a necro pummel brace from dany that I never would have had before...I like helping people I know most of you do too, and like I stated in an earlier argument...If I win 3 of the same godly brace of my class from event boss whats the difference If I have it or someone who isn't that class has it? Its not like im going to use 3 godly braces

Whats the problem with normal rolls!
U told u want do rolls for class cause u dont want that ppl get drops they dont use. K u really think u or threat for example can use anything u get on big bosses ? U really think its more fair to get a warrior a 3rd spear or mord helm instead give someone else his first ? There will be always ppl that get drops they dont use - whats the problem ? They can sell and others can buy! Thats good, so there is a market for good drops to sell and buy, why not? Not everyone can be in all bossfights cause ppl are busy in rl sometimes (some really hava a rl) and in this way they can buy the one or the other drops. Is that soooo bad? But the most important point for normal drops for me is this - we all fight together - we all do our best for killing that boss - we all should hv a chance to be part of rolls - thats the fair and nice way we always did on epona - so why we change? There is really no good reason to exclude ppl from rolls! I can accept (i dont like) classrolls on edl ok, but on all other bosses i think everyone should roll!

Dilvar dosnt exclude most people without a reason that I know of, maybe sure he might have got carried away a few months ago but I think that's behind us. People that are excluded from a roll there is usually a reason, like people resetting clans on bosses, provoke people like that and things tend to have a consequence. However there was a warrior on epona over level 210 that told me I can't roll just because he didn't like me and started ksing and resetting bosses on my clan. Now that's a reason to exclude someone, in my opinion is if they physically purposefully reset or mess up a boss fight in some way. If you don't like somone at a boss just log out don't go messing up bosses people try so hard to kill.

I think class roll is the way to go. Say a firebolt skull +15 drops on hrung and those mages out there myself included would want the best chance to get that skull? A rogue gets the skull who can't even use it when there r other who worked just as hard to get it and another class gets it who can even use it. Do u all really want the drama of trying to buy the skull or what ever item it may be? Class rolls insure that only that class will get the drop and atleast u know it can be put to use. If they want to give it to another person or sell it fine but atleast all mages Druid rogues warriors and rangers have equal chance at getting what they need. U also don't have the drama of person A giving it to person B and person C wanted it and now hates person A and results in a corrupted friendship. Most people play this game to escape life my self included. Why cause drama if there is no need for it?

I think class roll is the way to go. Say a firebolt skull +15 drops on hrung and those mages out there myself included would want the best chance to get that skull? A rogue gets the skull who can't even use it when there r other who worked just as hard to get it and another class gets it who can even use it. Do u all really want the drama of trying to buy the skull or what ever item it may be? Class rolls insure that only that class will get the drop and atleast u know it can be put to use. If they want to give it to another person or sell it fine but atleast all mages Druid rogues warriors and rangers have equal chance at getting what they need. U also don't have the drama of person A giving it to person B and person C wanted it and now hates person A and results in a corrupted friendship. Most people play this game to escape life my self included. Why cause drama if there is no need for it?

Cobra we understand the concept of Class rolls and why it is implemented...You have to understand how the server worked before class rolls...0 Drama at rolls...Highest rolls take best drops, which created an in game market and ability for clans to help out their clannies...I just liked the original system better and I think the server was a better place back then and more people played without the drama which has recently occurred...Im a noob anyways..NOOB POWER

0 drama at rolls hahahahahahahahahaha

Does anyone besides me remember what it was like on Epona before there were dice to do rolls? If you weren't in the group you were outta luck and it was very much a popularity contest on occasion. Does anyone remember all of the growing pains and different methods we went through to end up with the dice rolling system we had used up to this most recent expansion? One person lead/drove the development of what we used to have as well: Alexxxx. Many of us argued, gave input, fought for what we believed in, boycotted, etc. ...My point being things must grow/change/evolve and there will always be pain associated with change. Just because we used to do it a certain way doesn't mean it was the best way and it should never change. We also are never going to get 100% agreement no matter what we want to do. The challenge remains altering the system via compromise in a way that makes it better for the majority.

Does anyone besides me remember what it was like on Epona before there were dice to do rolls? If you weren't in the group you were outta luck and it was very much a popularity contest on occasion. Does anyone remember all of the growing pains and different methods we went through to end up with the dice rolling system we had used up to this most recent expansion? One person lead/drove the development of what we used to have as well: Alexxxx. Many of us argued, gave input, fought for what we believed in, boycotted, etc. ...My point being things must grow/change/evolve and there will always be pain associated with change. Just because we used to do it a certain way doesn't mean it was the best way and it should never change. We also are never going to get 100% agreement no matter what we want to do. The challenge remains altering the system via compromise in a way that makes it better for the majority.

+1

So much more helpful than my last post, well said Kasha.
It is impossible to please all and the best we can do is to find the fairest way for all involved at a boss fight to get a chance at a drop 'they' can use.