Celtic Heroes

I actually stand to benefit from "class based" dicing on Garanak sets if we choose to do that. However, I am still against this because it is short sighted and unfair. We can’t presume to dictate how others should play their toons. This “class based” system is attempting to micromanage drops and micromanagement is bad management.

Under the proposed system Bloodthorn and Frostroot sets will be exclusively reserved for rangers and rogues.

Lets be clear. ONLY rangers and rogues will be allowed to dice for Bloodthorn and Frostroot sets. Think about that warriors. No Bloodthorn or Frostroot pieces for you! Just so you know, I was offered 4.2 million gold for a Bloodthorn ring last summer. But don’t worry warriors, you have exclusive rights to…wait for it…Ironroot sets (you will need to compete with mages and druids for Stonebark items).


P.S. Someone wanted an example of strength and dexterity benefiting a caster. Here is a link for you.
[url]http://celtic-heroes.com/forum/viewtopic.php

We aren't dictating how you should play, rage timers do that for you. We can't even kill necro and are always one of the last worlds to kill the hard bosses because people are too stuck on their alternative ways of playing.

How is it micromanaging? If OTM lays a restriction all is well but if we do it's micromanaging. Why would it matter which party does what?

I think it's well understood that frostroot and bloodthorn sets would be exclusive to rangers and rogues. We all have access to the chart I nade up, no need to insult our intelligence here. Let me ask you how many warrior skills use dex? What's that you say, zero? Do you realize how much of a waste 300(or more considering these will be upgraded sets) unusable points is? Seemingly not.

Warriors can roll on ironroot, stonebark, bladeleaf and stormleaf sets. 2 dps sets and 2 tank set for a class capable of mediocre dps and high tanking capabilities.

Rogues/rangers can roll on all 4 melee dps sets. Their only capabilities are melee dps.

Casters can roll on the 2 caster dps/support sets and the stonebark set. All giving stats that both help their dps and support skills whole adding to their survivability. What would they need auto damage for? They don't.

Why do you figure rogues aren't whining about a caster exclusive shrive/spirit set? Because we know that set is useless to us and we have no interest in it. We don't want to own it, we don't want to use it, and we don't want to sell it.

Blood ring for 4.2m is laughable, you really expect us to believe that? People weren't even willing to cough that up for a reaper ring or bladeleaf neck.

The fact you're still on about equality is ludicrous give it a break. There is no equality on this game.

P.S. A guide doesn't automatically make something useful.

Ultimate rogue guide: wear aggy grim and full spiritshadow with garanak shrivewood set and sunfire health rings. Maximum energy and health.

+1 to this opinion,
I mean like...caster drops always drop and have a higher chance of winning considering we are low on Druids and mages, correct?
What would a Druid need a Bloodthorn set for? Only thing they'd do with it is sell it.
It makes sense for us to do class drops, considering what happened last year..people got useless items that they don't need just sitting in their inventory/bank, what good is that? When a person who actually needed for their set doesn't have it. What would a rogue do with a shrivewood set? sell it most likely, meanwhile a Druid has been camping his/her asses off just to complete their set, it wouldn't be fair for a rogue to win a shrivewood piece, over a Druid..because a rogue doesn't need it.

Casters will just win damage stuff to sell^^

Melees already win dmg stuff to sell. So why not balance it out? I wouldnt mind reducing my chances on shrivewood/spiritseed if it ment i could dice on all garanak stuff. Also people are entitled to do whatever they want with their items, they won it fair and square

Fair would be need before greed. Then again, we aren't talking to someone who is fair just someone who wants to line their pockets with more merch opportunities. You don't even play anymore, stop trying to make yourself relevant.

Casters will just win damage stuff to sell^^

Melees already win dmg stuff to sell. So why not balance it out? I wouldnt mind reducing my chances on shrivewood/spiritseed if it ment i could dice on all garanak stuff. Also people are entitled to do whatever they want with their items, they won it fair and square

Fair would be need before greed. Then again, we aren't talking to someone who is fair just someone who wants to line their pockets with more merch opportunities. You don't even play anymore, stop trying to make yourself relevant.

Like you said i dont even play, so why do you think id be trying to line my pockets that i cant even use? My opinion is for the economic balance of garanak drops for the world, not me. I know plenty of people who sold damage sets as melee classes, and only camped gara for that, which isnt wrong, everyone needs gold. So why are you for trying to limit the casters abilty to win a drop of equal value? I think its because a rogue wants to have all the damage sets to themself, and be able to line their own pockets.

This isn't about gold. And if gold is the only reason your against this then that's stupid

This isn't about gold. And if gold is the only reason your against this then that's stupid

Gold is always an important issue. Some people cant or dont want to buy plat, so they must be very careful with what gold they have. A non plat needs gold to buy lixs, lux, idols, sigils(if mage), restos, boss stuff, and other things. I do not think its fair to give other classes more valueable items when they are all non class required.

I think a dps war might equip a blood or frost set which makes it a leigt discussion whether they should be dicing for those items.

The gold argument is less valid imo as the goal is to gear up people with items they need not to get them rich (i know some dont agree with that).

This is just my opinion, need before greed (at least to the extent it can be controlled)

I can see both sides of the argument here but I still feel strongly there should be some class reatrictions next time around. Glad we are talking about it early because last time it was basically too late to put something like this in.

+1

Im all for this sets split easily and fairly

Stonebark is caster/warrior
Ironroot is warrior
Spirit is caster
Shrive is caster
Blade set melee
Storm set is melee
Frost set is rogue/ranger
Blood set is rogue/ranger

This makes rogue and ranger have 4 total they can roll for, warriors 4 and casters 3.

thats fair isnt it?
Heres my rationale:
Ironroot and stonebark are good tanking sets, and stonebark provides vit and focus that druids and mages like.
Spirit and shrive provide focus and ability buffs specifically set for casters
Blade set works well with any melee class, dps warriors especially, rogues and rangers.
Frost set works best with rogue/ranger due to the dex addition, this dex component rules out warriors due to them not needing dex.
Blood set works the same as frost, except the faster the autos the more damage one does especially with the low resist to poison dmg hence rogue and ranger.

This means there more sets for melee but each class can roll for and theyre all suited to their best classes, and there an excess of melee classes therefore they get more sets to even things out.

I like this luk.
Also i would like to Ask a question to the ones Who think garanak drops should be diced buy class cause it's not fair: do you think is fair for me to buy a tank set off a druid/mage for several millions to actually use that set to help that druid/mage kill other bosses? Don't you think would just be more simple to dice buy class so i can have more chances for that set which i'm gonna use to tank bosses and help server? And at the Same time don't you think would be more simple for mages/druids to dice the it own class suitable sets to have more chances to get something they gonna need to kill bosses onstead of buying off me for several millions a shrive set? Just saying, why making profit to buy sets when you can actually have more chances to get those sets for free?

There is a lot to unpack here so I will hit the highlights one by one.

We aren't dictating how you should play, rage timers do that for you. We can't even kill necro and are always one of the last worlds to kill the hard bosses because people are too stuck on their alternative ways of playing.

We have killed necro. Check my sig.

How is it micromanaging? If OTM lays a restriction all is well but if we do it's micromanaging. Why would it matter which party does what?

Correct. OTM sets class restrictions on some items. You want to further subdivide what drops are available to whom. This is micromanaging. Trying to dictate how people play a game is micromanaging.

I think it's well understood that frostroot and bloodthorn sets would be exclusive to rangers and rogues. We all have access to the chart I nade up, no need to insult our intelligence here. Let me ask you how many warrior skills use dex? What's that you say, zero? Do you realize how much of a waste 300(or more considering these will be upgraded sets) unusable points is? Seemingly not.

300 dex = 300 attack and 600 defense. I can see why you might think this is useless for a warrior.

Warriors can roll on ironroot, stonebark, bladeleaf and stormleaf sets. 2 dps sets and 2 tank set for a class capable of mediocre dps and high tanking capabilities.

I can respond to this with a quote from you (above).

We all have access to the chart I nade up, no need to insult our intelligence here.

Rogues/rangers can roll on all 4 melee dps sets. Their only capabilities are melee dps.

This is our only capability? Point and shoot or point and stab? Well, nobody accused you of being a broad thinker but this is pretty limited and rigid even for you. Talk about thinking inside the box.

Casters can roll on the 2 caster dps/support sets and the stonebark set. All giving stats that both help their dps and support skills whole adding to their survivability. What would they need auto damage for? They don't.

Not if they play their toon as you want them to. However, a melee mage or solo druid may like to make that decision for themselves rather than have their gameplay micromanaged by another player.

Why do you figure rogues aren't whining about a caster exclusive shrive/spirit set? Because we know that set is useless to us and we have no interest in it. We don't want to own it, we don't want to use it, and we don't want to sell it.

Well, if rogues don't want them, I guess we can let the casters have them.

Blood ring for 4.2m is laughable, you really expect us to believe that? People weren't even willing to cough that up for a reaper ring or bladeleaf neck.

DarkDragon made the offer. Ask her if you want confirmation.

The fact you're still on about equality is ludicrous give it a break. There is no equality on this game.

I don’t know what you are on about here but, you seem a little worked up. Relax. It is just a game.

P.S. A guide doesn't automatically make something useful.

Agreed. There are some useless guides out there. However, Maxees guide on howling winds points out how useful dex can be to a druid. I was simply providing an answer to a previous poster’s query.

Ultimate rogue guide: wear aggy grim and full spiritshadow with garanak shrivewood set and sunfire health rings. Maximum energy and health.

I wouldn’t recommend that but whatever floats your boat.

We know many people try to profit off of the boss already. We got people with alts(dicing for multiple classes), and people camping the 150 even though their 180+. Dont hide that profit isnt a part of this. Casters always get the most worthless gear, and adding this doesnt help. I know of no mage who wants a ironroot set or a stonebark set.