Celtic Heroes

A game I always bring up, Neverwinter. There u have a Trickster Rogue, which came out before the Hunter Ranger. They're very similar there, one has casual stealth (rogue) and one has different stealth with dmg bonus (ranger), ranger uses bow, but also switched to dual daggers like rogue (Thus why hes also a hunter, his daggers look different too) and he becomes a rough melee class but not as much as rogue (assassination and skills that rogue has that deals tons of dmg), but overall they're balanced classes there, on dps and survivability, very similar just different ways of expressing their dps (one is mostly attacking and stealthing, stronger and faster attacks and also ranged throwable knives, while the ranger is stronger on range but is rather fast on his melee, stealthy and deals heavy dmg at lower speed), even in PvP there, the rogue is one that attacks and stealths, escapes if needed, good for teaming, while the ranger goes from afar or above, stealths and has great skills for escaping and a bit more of a lone wolf (but if hes covered by others he can shoot his heavy hits freely).

Overall in most MMORPG's rogues and rangers are mostly the same, on dps and survivability, both have very similar abilities, the whole difference between them is speed and dmg, and different ways of fighting (stealth vs run/range), while rogue is faster and ranger is stronger.
In CH, unlike other mmorpgs, rogue is both stronger and faster and has no stealth whatsoever, rogue is like some kind of an ultimate soldier, until tower update, where mages will kick their asses.

Rogue has stealth, and Mages always have kicked ass

So this has me curious. And I realize it's slightly different than the topic but has been mentioned. What if you have a mage and rogue of equal level say 210, both have dl. The rogue does not use haste, the mage does not use pierce lure or the lures do not benefit the rogue. Who will outdps?

Honestly, I think otm should do away with stating who got the kill on creatures. It has led to a lot of issues of rogues not wanting to leave the boss and do adds as if having your name saying you got the kill is something special.

Honestly, I think otm should do away with stating who got the kill on creatures. It has led to a lot of issues of rogues not wanting to leave the boss and do adds as if having your name saying you got the kill is something special.

Eliminator, not sure how wanting to take credit for a kill within a clan paradigm is putting the clan first. it would seem to me that it wouldn't matter who technically got the kill, what would matter it's that the clan worked strategically as a team and accomplished a goal as a team. wanting credit for "working"more then your other clan members and getting acknowledged for it seems self centered, not clan centered.

I'm always suspicious of individuals who preach about putting the clan first, more so their true motives, especially from clans that have a similar policy as Avalon that declares that you can camp a boss, call the boss, officially get the kill on the boss, and the drop , that you might really need, can go to someone who is offline, and technically didn't "work" for that particular drop... all in the name of ... putting your clan first.