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Re: The power of focus

#11
what do you mean when you say winds build? are you referring to howling winds because the stat for that is focus?

I am not saying you should not have any vitality. i am saying that focus still makes a significant difference in skill damage at high levels. so focus should be the concentration.

i disagree with a non caster build being a good build for a druid but i don't wish to discuss because it would be pretty much impossible to convince you otherwise
for a caster build focus is key to increasing dps and leveling is all about dps
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Spartan214 Fire Mage of Rosmerta

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Re: The power of focus

#12
Actually a good discussion here...
Been absent from the forums because there is rarely any value.

Here is my two cents.
Druids are the most confusing and difficult class to play.
(AND OTM rarely listens because they have put druids in a box and anything outside THIER limits is unacceptable.)

Let's start with Vitality and get that out of the way.
You need enough to stay alive. This is obviously level related, but if you find that your dying too much then increase Vit.

Focus is everything to a druid.
All your skill damage is DIRECTLY associated with how much focus you have. Yes, it is diminished beyond 300 points, but it always has value even at 2k. So, more points in focus ALWAYS means more damage from Lightning, Storm, Vines, and Swarm.

Also, and very important, points in focus builds your energy pool to be able to cast skills, more focus gives you more energy to work with and a druid without energy is worthless.

Every point in focus also helps every heal and buff skill you have. So pulling any points from focus will directly effect you healing power, period...

So there is a 3x value for every point you put into FOCUS.

Strength is absolutely necessary if you plan to melee, zYz is 100% correct on this, but there are several problems with thinking melee is a route druids should consider.

First and foremost is Dexterity!!!!
Sure, pump up strength to 300, 600, 900, but pay attention to your hitting and notice that with 10 points in Dexterity hitting something is far from a sure thing. So I am kind of surprised zYz would not bring up the Dex issue, so for every 3 points you put in strength you will need to consider at least 1 point in Dex.

Second, OTM will not let druids play with pointy objects. And yet we are a melee class ?.!&@?!, WTF? In OTM infinite wisdom they only allow us to play with sticks and because of this the damage you get from a stick is the lowest in the game. Sure, grab that fiery offhand axe and try to increase your melee DPS, what you will find is a lot of wasted points will little DPS gain.

Then to make matters EVEN WORST, our sticks (totems) all travel at a turtle speed. 3300 is SLOW. This cripples your ability even more because you will swing twice as slow. I didn't actually do the numbers but I felt I was able to kill faster with a book (2950) and an axe then a totem and an axe.

Third, you cannot swing a stick and chew gum at the same time or cast a spell. Because our spell skills actual do the MOST damage you find yourself casting most of the time and swinging a stick just doesn't happen that much. It is surprising how little melee damage you can do if you are always casting spells. This is a conversation I have never seen in the druid forum, but is often talked about between rogues. The loss of auto damage resulting from the pause of casting a spell is significant.

Fourth, INTERRUPTION. When in melee getting your spells interrupted is a forgone conclusion. It is hard to concentrate when someone is pounding on you! This often delays spell casting, causing recasting and extending the pause before an auto melee can actually finish a cycle.

THIS IS OFTEN MISUNDERSTOOD
Damage and DPS and not the same (DPS stands for Damage Per Second)
Time is crucial in understand and producing more DPS which results in leveling faster.

So...
After playing a Druid for almost four years now.
After trying every possible way to level faster.
After desperately exploring multiply ways to add to my DPS.
After begging, pleading, praying, crying, YELLING, quietly suggesting to OTM to fix our DPS

My conclusion is the best way to add DPS is to level a rogue.

It is my opinion and experience that putting any points in Strength or Dexterity is a TOTAL WASTE.

BTW...
Anyone who qualifies themselves as an authority on a subject because of their stats on the boards should be suspect immediately.

Re: The power of focus

#13
what do you mean when you say winds build? are you referring to howling winds because the stat for that is focus?

I am not saying you should not have any vitality. i am saying that focus still makes a significant difference in skill damage at high levels. so focus should be the concentration.

i disagree with a non caster build being a good build for a druid but i don't wish to discuss because it would be pretty much impossible to convince you otherwise
for a caster build focus is key to increasing dps and leveling is all about dps
Winds build is a specific set up that involves using winds and a high defense stat. If you would like to read about it it's in the guide section.

Nothing I posted was a non caster build. A non caster build would be using no skills at all.

I'm curious what you consider a non caster build?

Nothing I posted indicated having low focus. My lowest focus I have is 990.

Again, I'm not an absolutist. I believe in playing your character in the way you enjoy the most.

It's not that I don't listen as I've changed my build numerous times based on advice from others and experiment for a build that allows high skill/spell dmg and high auto dmg. And then I'm able to turn around and have high support for raids.

There is not a druid out there that is a non caster because a non caster would be one that doesn't cast spells.

So there's no debate that high focus increases spells damage and support spells. This is a given.

The question the OP had was at what point do we feel focus has diminishing returns that possibly further points might be better a located elsewhere.
Zyz 220 Druid
Noah Fences 220 Rogue

Re: The power of focus

#14
a caster build means no autos and definitely no strength!

as long as you have enough vitality to not die all your stat points should go into focus. at high levels focus still makes a difference to your skills so it is still a good idea to put points into it.

all your builds were non caster!
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Spartan214 Fire Mage of Rosmerta

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Re: The power of focus

#16
^ Your being ignorant on builds that you haven't tried before... Not the first time you have argued without any valid basis.
you are assuming that i have not tried different builds.i have tried many builds. i always argue with a valid basis, you just don't appreciate that you are wrong a LOT!

and when it comes to druids and mages caster builds i am the best.
casters are my passion

if you don't believe me scroll up and read the abundant wisdom of perl
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Spartan214 Fire Mage of Rosmerta

For Every Idiot There are 5 more idiots

Re: The power of focus

#17
a caster build means no autos and definitely no strength!

as long as you have enough vitality to not die all your stat points should go into focus. at high levels focus still makes a difference to your skills so it is still a good idea to put points into it.

all your builds were non caster!
Ok. You're right. Non meaning not. And caster meaning one that casts. So, yes, I have a build that does not cast spells. What's weird is I cast vines, and swarm, and bark, and touch, and etc. I guess your definition is different than the dictionary definition of a non caster.
Zyz 220 Druid
Noah Fences 220 Rogue

Re: The power of focus

#18
a caster build means no autos and definitely no strength!

as long as you have enough vitality to not die all your stat points should go into focus. at high levels focus still makes a difference to your skills so it is still a good idea to put points into it.

all your builds were non caster!
Ok. You're right. Non meaning not. And caster meaning one that casts. So, yes, I have a build that does not cast spells. What's weird is I cast vines, and swarm, and bark, and touch, and etc. I guess your definition is different than the dictionary definition of a non caster.
you are a hybrid.
part auto and part caster. but none of your builds are pure casters and none of them are pure auto.
all your builds were not pure caster builds.
IOS player since 2011
Spartan214 Fire Mage of Rosmerta

For Every Idiot There are 5 more idiots

Re: The power of focus

#19
^ Your being ignorant on builds that you haven't tried before... Not the first time you have argued without any valid basis.
you are assuming that i have not tried different builds.i have tried many builds. i always argue with a valid basis, you just don't appreciate that you are wrong a LOT!

and when it comes to druids and mages caster builds i am the best.
casters are my passion

if you don't believe me scroll up and read the abundant wisdom of perl
No one is the best. There are a variety of effective builds and variations. Some druids like storm touch. I don't care for it. Some druids don't use swarm. I like it. Some druids prefer to be full support all the time. Some druids prefer to be hybrid. Some druids go with a leveling build which may include certain wards or no wards or bless or no bless.

There's no such thing as a caster or non caster build. There's a support build. There's a hybrid build. Etc

Some even go with a winds build. This is a commonly known about build so it surprises me that since you claim to know so much don't know about this build. This build has been proven and tested to effective when engaging in leveling.

You said listen to Perl's wisdom and they said don't listen to someone that claims to be the best or an expert. And you claim to be the best. So do we listen to you or Perl?

Anyway, I've tried different amounts in stats and found the way I have it set up now allows for faster kills than just having all those extra 200 points I have in focus than in strength. You cannot say my build is wrong when I have found it the fastest leveling build for me.
Zyz 220 Druid
Noah Fences 220 Rogue

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