Celtic Heroes

why do good ice mages get the kill on ph such as [...] rockhide, as well as other 5* dl bosses, Comrak , ow bosses, etc. and even sometimes 6* bosses ?.

Will never happen against a "good" fire mage, sorry.

Well Furyion, clearly you didn't want to do the math so I instead did it for you.

Using Swan's skill damage formulas:

Level 50 Fire Bolt Damage = 72.853*sqrt(Focus) + 21.611*sqrt(Fire Magic) + 264.84 + Fire Attunement Damage Boost
Level 50 Firestorm Damage = 90.164*sqrt(Focus) + 25.515*sqrt(Fire Magic) + 365.43 + Fire Attunement Damage Boost

Level 50 Ice Blast Damage = 117.97*sqrt(Focus) + 32.835*sqrt(Ice Magic) + 487.25 + Ice Attunement Damage Boost
Level 50 Ice Shards Damage = 96.322*sqrt(Focus) + 30.47*sqrt(Ice Magic) + 702.43 + Ice Attunement Damage Boost

Will be ignoring attunement and any direct damage boosting items for fair comparison. Will be assuming a mage has 2000 focus and 3000 fire/ice magic.

Inserting these numbers into the formulas, you get: Recast times for each skill without cool down reductions are also shown.


I then proceeded to spam skills at a target and record how many times I could use each skill within certain time frames, these are the results I got. The figures are accumulated and are up to the time period. (e.g. for time 20, fire mages could cast 3 fire bolts and 1 fire storm up to 20 seconds into the fight)

Applying these figures to the damage numbers from the skill formulas, I got: Finally, summing all these figures in the respective time periods, I got: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

These results are actually more impressive than I had initially thought since I thought Ice Mages actually had a chance until 30 seconds. But nope, after fire mages cast their second fire bolt (7 seconds into the fight) they have officially dealt more damage and will continue to do so for the rest of the fight. The one single exception is during the 15-20 second mark where ice mages can recast both their skills.

There is a reason most mages are fire and that is because it is better dps, armo proved this^. Ofcourse a well geared ice mage can do some serious dmg but an equally geared fire mage is just better and more consistent. A miss with an ice build massively reduces their dps because of how high a % of their dps is lost due to their slow recasts. A miss with a fire build doesnt have as big of an effect. You dont need to be a mage to know this, its true for all classes, slow hard hitting attacks are usually trumped by faster weaker attacks.

You will probably be better geared as an ice mage though because of how few of them there are and if you enjoy playing with ice then go with that, play how you want lol

It really surprised me that ice is better for 20 secs only by that math, a bit odd. Also, I believe ice mage's attune is stronger (maybe Im wrong tho). Also, direct dmg bonuses have higher bonuses towards ice, and ice shards skull might change the situation (better than firebolt skull imo, but theres also firestorm skull).

The fight depends a lot on evades for mages and the resistance of the boss, so its better to have fire mages and ice mages rather than just fire, and we didnt include gear in it.

Go math.

armo is level 210 while furyion is only 190. armo has way more experience leveling a mage so he is living proof that fire mages do more damage per second at high levels.
what furyion is saying has no truth to it.
an 11k hit is still less damage per second when fire mages hits come twice as fast and do more than half an ice mages hit. just do the math.

20 levels means absolutely nothing when it comes to experience when comparing a 190 to a 210. A level 100 can be more experienced than a level 150. Its just a number. I do know the difference between damage and damager per second. Getting the kill has changed overtime but Fury got the kill before it was changed from most damage overall to most damage initially, aka burst damage. Fury was simply saying that ice is better for short and fire for long fights. How was he.wrong? The math supports the fact that ice is better initially.

Just to add, good ice mage gear goes a long way in getting kills and doing the most damage over time. An ice mage should compensate for slow cast speed by being quick to press the buttons to charge the skills.

You guys don't seem to understand. Fire and ice mage gear is proportional to each other. Ice mage gear gives more damage to its skills because of the obvious difference in cool down. The same way with no add-ons, fire mage skills deal less damage, yet deals more damage in a fight.

With the math I have provided it is obvious beyond reasonable doubt that any two mages with similar gear, the fire mage will out DPS them.

If you're still unsure feel free to compare an ice mage who has really good gear with me and I can 100% guarantee that wih the same math I will have superior DPS.

You guys don't seem to understand. Fire and ice mage gear is proportional to each other. Ice mage gear gives more damage to its skills because of the obvious difference in cool down. The same way with no add-ons, fire mage skills deal less damage, yet deals more damage in a fight.

With the math I have provided it is obvious beyond reasonable doubt that any two mages with similar gear, the fire mage will out DPS them.

If you're still unsure feel free to compare an ice mage who has really good gear with me and I can 100% guarantee that wih the same math I will have superior DPS.

The argument wasn't who does more dps. it was simply the fact that ice is better in short fights, fire for long fights. Maybe with a server merge you will get a chance to test on quick and long fights.

I just showed that fire mages deal more DPS 7 seconds into the fight.

Why are you being so ignorant?

^I think that the point is, that the fight is short not by time means, but by the amount of health the boss has. If the boss has low health, the ice mage will do enough burst to outdps the mage, however I think that bigger dmg bonuses from gear to ice mage do make a change, along perhaps with cooldown reduction being more effective for ice mage making them able to battle fire mages, and I believe ice attune is stronger too, we're looking at raw dps here.