Celtic Heroes

Lol. We aren't feigning innocence my point has been it was an individual. Not clan pulled tht mob. I have said this repeatably not sure what your missing here. It goes back to ur statement that clan Havoc as a whole set out to sabotage your raid. Which is a complete load of bs.

Lol. We aren't feigning innocence my point has been it was an individual. Not clan pulled tht mob. I have said this repeatably not sure what your missing here. It goes back to ur statement that clan Havoc as a whole set out to sabotage your raid. Which is a complete load of bs.

Tell me this - the said individual was in Havoc, Yes? Was he wearing a <Havoc> tag over his head? Yes? That makes your clan guilty of griefing. If it doesn't, then ANY HAVOC MEMBER CAN DO AS THEY PLEASE WITHOUT REPERCUSSIONS. That is just plain wrong. Next time someone else from your clan will grief. Then you'll be singing the same song. " It's not Havoc. It's just one of our members." And so on and so forth........

I did not shoot any arrows while Havoc was on Mord. As an individual I cannot say that I did not grief yesterday's mord. My clan did so I did. We did.

I did not shoot any arrows while Havoc was on Mord. As an individual I cannot say that I did not grief yesterday's mord. My clan did so I did. We did.

In fact you can consider any of our offline members as participants of that grief. They are all wearing Avalon tags. No one is exempt from our actions, and vice versa.

Who's crying? I'm just correcting your thoughts that clan havoc as a whole sets out to disrupt ur raids. Sorry aileron ur wrong and yes I don't dispute it looks bad for clan when individual does it with banner overhead. I don't dispute that. So Im really struggling to see your point here? It's not my place to say the repercussions of the individual I am not chief. But there was some and it hasn't gone unpunished.

Alas, both sides are finally seeing the truth. Slowly it seems. Truth seems to be the new hate speech. As was pointed out, individuals made the mistake, yet an entire clan retaliates as a whole, but if same clan makes the same mistake, is it right to blame the entire clan? There is a hypocritical reasoning in the minds of the clans. Stand by your clan in right or in wrong, you can not pick just one. Be man enough to admit mistakes and take responsibility for your actions. It is the actions of a few that reflect badly on any clan. As usual, the points made in this thread have been ignored. They are seen as hate, and not for the true meaning of what they are. A few individuals from ava drag mobs, they have been doing that for years, but yet we do not blame all of ava. A few individuals from havoc drag some mobs, so the entire clan is to blame? I see hypocrisy on both sides. It truly is tit for tat. So tell me, when does it end? The ava logic of retribution for a clan doing the same as Ava does seems flawed. Perhaps you need to look within your own clans and fix the problems that you cause before you judge another clan. You can deflect the arguement, make excuses, but the truth is the truth. Deny it all you want, it is still truth.

We have never griefed a Mordris raid until yesterday. Havoc started the Mordris griefing in this server. That's the plain simple truth.

Toastie -- you have been a clan chief for years. Even though you aren't current chief of Havoc, you are amongst its leaders. Your misguided principles have carried on to them. Maybe that's how Seela is too since she came from the same clans you did. You all can deny that Havoc didn't grief. It is plain obvious that one of your members did. If he was alone with no other Havoc around (just like before when some of you came to watch and would accidentally unfreeze the priestess, we didn't consider it griefing as long as we hear an apology and no further actions were done). But you guys LOST THE LOCK. AND THEN ONE OF YOUR MEMBERS killed our druids by intentionally dragging trolls. Even though nothing was going on your clan chat about it is irrelevant. Whether it was an order given or an individual acting on his own, YOUR CLAN WAS THERE. ONE OF YOUR MEMBERS GRIEFED, and by association, YOUR CLAN WAS INVOLVED in the griefing.

We can agree to disagree. But next time one of your clannies grief again, you know where we stand.

I believe you. Does the make the actions of your clan right? If a few individuals from havoc griefed your mordi raid, should those individuals be held accountable and not an entire clan? Should individuals within your own clan be held accountable for their actions, and not your entire clan? Do you see where I am going with this?

Should individuals within your own clan be held accountable for their actions, and not your entire clan?

If a single Avalon member, acting on his own, intentionally tries to wipe a rival clan's raid by dragging mobs or unfreezing the priestess...then answer is YES, AVALON - THE ENTIRE CLAN, is accountable.

Why don't we look up the definition of 'havoc'?
Personally? I LIKE the havoc. I say we try to ruin each other's raids everyday going forward.

The problem is, you guys like to cause havoc, but when it's brought back onto you, AND you realize you can't handle it, you cry about it on the forums, 'ERMAHGERD, PLEASE STAHP, it's not enjoyable!'

Biggest bunch of pansies I've seen play an MMO.
Why can't you stick to what you say? Multi editing your posts, HOURS after they've been replied to? Is that supposed to make your posts sound smarter? Or does it have an opposite effect when people take notice?

Making up crap about us holding votes on what we were gonna do? Seriously, where do you come up with this nonsense? WE ALREADY TOLD YOU WE WOULD BE RETURNING THE FAVOR. You thought we were joking?

The day it happened Juggienaut was all, 'WHO? WHO? NONE of us did what you're claiming, you guys are making it up.' Now it's, 'that was just one person acting on their own.'

The fact is we killed those dragged trolls AND we killed loose HP who happened to go from the frozen corner, to right on top of mordy where we decided to just go ahead and kill her. I INITIALLY thought any contact from you all who were flying by on your mounts and/or still standing near her was hopefully incidental. This was prior to me hearing trolls were dragged on our druids INTENTIONALLY. I NOW believe otherwise about HP.

You guys are HAVOC, you're just living up to your namesake. That's fine, do what you do.

We just didn't think you'd handle your loss in a game by CRYING on the forums about it.

But please, continue. You guys are PITCH PERFECT at it.