Celtic Heroes

So. I came back to good old Sweden and what do I find. This thread spreading over 9 pages for what reason?

Both clans have people who will occassionally will drag mobs. I've seen Avalon doing it since I was a noobe (which I may still be) but also ZA and other clans including my own, Havoc. It seems to be a part of the game. Tit for tat reminds me of when I was 5 years old. I was in the sandbox with another boy at the same age. I throw sand on him and he started to cry, the grown ups confronted me and asked me why I did it. I answered like any 5 year old would; "he did it first". The grown ups told me that didn't justify my actions. So now I'm to understand that these grown ups was lying to me? Tit for tat is ok? Even so; I will not do it as it gives nothing but everyone to his own (or what ever you say). Now Im going to celebrate Midsummer and perhaps when I return to CH things may have changed and people may come to realise that CH is just a game and not real life. Is that hoping for to much?

First please forgive the seemingly noob status of my forum acct. I am not a recurrent poster nor even much of a reader and could not log into or retrieve Seela info yesterday as the email used has been closed for a good long while.
Nice to meet you Ail. Nice to Read some of your thoughts and opinions as well as other folks here. I'm chief of havoc. Seela main. One of the 'typical havoc douchebags' I think were your words one or more times. It's good to let feelings out. I tend to use a more private venue for saying crappy things such as that, but to each his or her own.
Seems things spiraled downhill pretty fast. Think it all started with clannie roch just asking both sides why do this griefing. Not like this raid was first ever in game. Nor the griefing that occured. I certainly don't want to make it policy going forward, lol. You have duly educated us, I promise. Messing with your raid brings swift and dreadful retribution. Fair enough. God is a vengeful God and all.. As that's not how we operate whatever you may think, it won't be a problem from here on out. We have a policy in place for internal use if it does. Do you? Because as the instances of griefing become more and more minimal ( though I agree with Blue, actually not too common an issue), violators will not be wearing the havoc banner for long. Will yours wear ava forever or will you too crack down on the rogue element that ruins the rep for your whole clan and makes it look like you do condone this as well or remove them so as to not associate ava with that behavior? It's cool if you don't, just remember then, when you say havoc leadership condones griefing to add 'and we always have too.'
We DON'T deny a troll was pulled onto your druids during your mordi raid. That was wrong, apology extended here and now for that. Was it known and planned? No. Was the offender punished? Yes. Were there accidents and chaos in our other tries from folks, maybe from both sides? Yes, but it was over and done. Doesn't make anyone a liar to catch an action that happens and call attention to it, and if later found to be an accident, the issue is dropped. Hell, even if in debate whether an accident or not, it was still dropped.
Your representatives did issue a warning that our raid would be messed with in retaliation. We did pass that on. Was the extent of retaliation described? No, but now we know maybe just don't use 'tit for tat' to describe as that is completely inaccurate, lol. But all good. So we move on with a clean slate, counters reset to zero each. What i worry about is your decisions to grief or not grief even if given no cause. Because unless you too have a liar in your midst, it WAS described to me that a meditated clinical debate occurred whether or not to mess with our successful mordi raid. I think the teller was hoping to impart the message that hey, look, we voted not to! And I guess thank you for that? But i was more shocked that such a debate even occurred when you weren't even riding in retaliate mode. Hope the no votes keep winning in the future!
And hey, always available to talk more about this stuff, get to know each other as we continue to coexist, clean up some of the erroneous info, esp as re my history here as i don't think we have ever spoken in game beyond a very brief Dl trade request you made long long ago ( and sorry we couldn't help, otm just hates dropping purples, dammit, lol)
We all just wanna have fun playing it seems to me. Sorry if it gets ugly along the way, it will always be my intention to not participate in that and control it as best we can. Let's all put in the effort perhaps and see where we get.
Seela
And ps, the latest event camp you mention, consider that the payback for one of the last camps we attended en masse where two of your warriors just dragged the mobs to our side to have their fun while standing around waiting. So clean slate there! Counters reset!

Aileron not once have I said it was ok for Havoc to drag that mob, you said you would exact revenge you did. NO PROBLEM HERE
You keep going in circles!

Im not sure who cast the first stone possibly Havoc I am not disputing that.

All I have done is called you out on the fact that you stated Avalon members have never griefed Havoc on a mordi.
WRONG.

Then you and some of your clannies on here brand me a liar.

Lets move on here FFS!

First please forgive the seemingly noob status of my forum acct. I am not a recurrent poster nor even much of a reader and could not log into or retrieve Seela info yesterday as the email used has been closed for a good long while.
Nice to meet you Ail. Nice to Read some of your thoughts and opinions as well as other folks here. I'm chief of havoc. Seela main. One of the 'typical havoc douchebags' I think were your words one or more times. It's good to let feelings out. I tend to use a more private venue for saying crappy things such as that, but to each his or her own.
Seems things spiraled downhill pretty fast. Think it all started with clannie roch just asking both sides why do this griefing. Not like this raid was first ever in game. Nor the griefing that occured. I certainly don't want to make it policy going forward, lol. You have duly educated us, I promise. Messing with your raid brings swift and dreadful retribution. Fair enough. God is a vengeful God and all.. As that's not how we operate whatever you may think, it won't be a problem from here on out. We have a policy in place for internal use if it does. Do you? Because as the instances of griefing become more and more minimal ( though I agree with Blue, actually not too common an issue), violators will not be wearing the havoc banner for long. Will yours wear ava forever or will you too crack down on the rogue element that ruins the rep for your whole clan and makes it look like you do condone this as well or remove them so as to not associate ava with that behavior? It's cool if you don't, just remember then, when you say havoc leadership condones griefing to add 'and we always have too.'
We DON'T deny a troll was pulled onto your druids during your mordi raid. That was wrong, apology extended here and now for that. Was it known and planned? No. Was the offender punished? Yes. Were there accidents and chaos in our other tries from folks, maybe from both sides? Yes, but it was over and done. Doesn't make anyone a liar to catch an action that happens and call attention to it, and if later found to be an accident, the issue is dropped. Hell, even if in debate whether an accident or not, it was still dropped.
Your representatives did issue a warning that our raid would be messed with in retaliation. We did pass that on. Was the extent of retaliation described? No, but now we know maybe just don't use 'tit for tat' to describe as that is completely inaccurate, lol. But all good. So we move on with a clean slate, counters reset to zero each. What i worry about is your decisions to grief or not grief even if given no cause. Because unless you too have a liar in your midst, it WAS described to me that a meditated clinical debate occurred whether or not to mess with our successful mordi raid. I think the teller was hoping to impart the message that hey, look, we voted not to! And I guess thank you for that? But i was more shocked that such a debate even occurred when you weren't even riding in retaliate mode. Hope the no votes keep winning in the future!
And hey, always available to talk more about this stuff, get to know each other as we continue to coexist, clean up some of the erroneous info, esp as re my history here as i don't think we have ever spoken in game beyond a very brief Dl trade request you made long long ago ( and sorry we couldn't help, otm just hates dropping purples, dammit, lol)
We all just wanna have fun playing it seems to me. Sorry if it gets ugly along the way, it will always be my intention to not participate in that and control it as best we can. Let's all put in the effort perhaps and see where we get.
Seela
And ps, the latest event camp you mention, consider that the payback for one of the last camps we attended en masse where two of your warriors just dragged the mobs to our side to have their fun while standing around waiting. So clean slate there! Counters reset!

ya never write me that much

So now Toastie isn't sure who cast the first stone, but one page ago it was us on previous mordy's?

Why do you guys keep inventing some vote we held in regards to you all?

ONCE AGAIN, we held NO VOTE, there is NO THREAD on our forums in regards to YOU or ANY competition. It's not that serious.

There's no need to hold any discussion or votes, we play the game, we handle our business, IN THE GAME.

The only time we vote or discuss on any outside players is for possible recruits and applicants.

We told you IN GAME what we were gonna do and we followed through with what we said, IN GAME.

Running to the ANY forums starting threads discussing your problems with another clan isn't what we do. It's what YOU do.

We're simply responding to all the made up unfathomable you guys keep saying about us.

Not that I have any permission to cast my opinion here but it seems like this post is just going around in circles ^^

^mhm

Sorry Oni i have never said who did it first look carefully through my posts.
I stepped in when Aileron claimed that Avalon hasn't interfered with Havoc on a mordi FACT.

I'm stepping off this fked up merry go round of yours.

ENJOY THE RIDE AND STAB AWAY!!!!!

Sorry Oni i have never said who did it first look carefully through my posts.
I stepped in when Aileron claimed that Avalon hasn't interfered with Havoc on a mordi FACT.

I'm stepping off this fked up merry go round of yours.

ENJOY THE RIDE AND STAB AWAY!!!!!

Meh, you did say we dragged and griefed you on your prior Mordris attempts before Havoc griefed us.
I don't have to brand you a liar, you've always had that rep long before this.

We DON'T deny a troll was pulled onto your druids during your mordi raid. That was wrong, apology extended here

It's cool to see an apology even though it was several days late and you only don't deny now but y'all did at first. Funny how that worked out. But as you said, clean slates at Mordris, that I agree with.

the latest event camp you mention, consider that the payback

I thought I did see you there, I wasn't too sure so I didn't mention it. I knew it had to have your blessing. It can't be Havoc members all acting on their own all the time.

oNi those memes were corny