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I guess full strength takes a lot of the thought and work out of a ranger if that's how people want to play. Sort of like hitting the easy button, except your defense, attack, light heal, etc all majorly suck. That severely gimps you on bosses and such. If all your doing is hitting on normal mobs full strength may be ok, but definitely not optimal. Why play a half ass ranger when you can actually be usefull?

You must be trolling!!

Putting points in Dex is only good for light heal. The bonuses from steady and sharpen with 1k dex vs 300 dex is barely noticable. Those points are far better off in str or vit unless people want to be able to heal.

Also, defence and heal do not gimp anyone on bosses except warriors and druids.

Also, the attack difference isn't enough to bother with, look through this forum and you'll see Rangers with 10k+ ATTACK. 1k is only 10% of that. Not many people will have 1k dex over 1k str to get 1000 attack instead of roughly 500 damage

Pretty much spot on except the sharpen. If you group mele all the time even 50 dmg can actually be up to 400 in a full group. Since most people are talking solo then yea. For boss locking and beating rage, and tower leveling groups though having at least one half decent sharpen in each mele group is actually quite good.

Plus the dex helps the buffs slightly more from sharpen and steady so that the attack added is more than the 1k direct due to dex, and a little more dmg to even out the gap. But right now, a skill based ranger is awful. The only questions is, given that all your dps is from autos, whether you want to be max auto dmg (full str) or slightly higher attack, lower dmg, slightly better support (adding some dex). Most end game rangers seem to prefer the first

I guess full strength takes a lot of the thought and work out of a ranger if that's how people want to play. Sort of like hitting the easy button, except your defense, attack, light heal, etc all majorly suck. That severely gimps you on bosses and such. If all your doing is hitting on normal mobs full strength may be ok, but definitely not optimal. Why play a half ass ranger when you can actually be usefull?

You must be trolling!!

Putting points in Dex is only good for light heal. The bonuses from steady and sharpen with 1k dex vs 300 dex is barely noticable. Those points are far better off in str or vit unless people want to be able to heal.

Also, defence and heal do not gimp anyone on bosses except warriors and druids.

Also, the attack difference isn't enough to bother with, look through this forum and you'll see Rangers with 10k+ ATTACK. 1k is only 10% of that. Not many people will have 1k dex over 1k str to get 1000 attack instead of roughly 500 damage

I totally agree with you, dex is only useful for light heal and spear rangers doing melee with entangle, Some dex is really cool for more safety.
Else Dexterity is Useless at high lvl, My dexterity is at 405 atm and my Strenght at 1500.
I dont want to use broken skills (SharpShot, Longshot, Barbed Shot, Explosive arrow...) who does less damage than my auto dps hiting 1500+ during the cast time than the skill himself.

Anyway, I admitted now that Otm dont know their own game and have no idea about our class.
I try to dont think at it, else I would never log again into the game.

I'm not quite following the Rangers are lost class cries tbh. At endgame they have very high dps, with a very useful tanking skill(bolas), awesome buffs and heals. While it is true most Rangers go full str because of dex skills sucking bad, the str auto build with buffs and semidecent-awesome gear makes this class a truly wonderful one. Buffing dex skills wont make it more dps imo, maybe lil more dps than str build at cost of energy consumption. I don't think it's fair to have range, awesome buffs, tanking ability and to have more dps than a rogue especially since tower came out.

If any Warriors dps on bosses should be beefed up massively as currently its a joke dps on bosses. Druids can also get some dps buffs for levelling purposes but I don't think rangers should

I'm not quite following the Rangers are lost class cries tbh. At endgame they have very high dps, with a very useful tanking skill(bolas), awesome buffs and heals. While it is true most Rangers go full str because of dex skills sucking bad, the str auto build with buffs and semidecent-awesome gear makes this class a truly wonderful one. Buffing dex skills wont make it more dps imo, maybe lil more dps than str build at cost of energy consumption. I don't think it's fair to have range, awesome buffs, tanking ability and to have more dps than a rogue especially since tower came out.

If any Warriors dps on bosses should be beefed up massively as currently its a joke dps on bosses. Druids can also get some dps buffs for levelling purposes but I don't think rangers should

The point I tried to make for years, I even got a ranger to endgame just so the Rangers couldn't say I'm an inexperienced rogue who shouldn't talk xD

I'm not quite following the Rangers are lost class cries tbh.
If any Warriors dps on bosses should be beefed up massively as currently its a joke dps on bosses. Druids can also get some dps buffs for levelling purposes but I don't think rangers should

The point I tried to make for years, I even got a ranger to endgame just so the Rangers couldn't say I'm an inexperienced rogue who shouldn't talk xD

I'm probably uniquely neutral since I have all classes endgame. I don't really see anyone saying rangers need a huge buff in dps but really the skills are probably the most broken of any class. They really do need some tweaking as pure/nearly pure str builds shouldn't be the only decent end game build possible for most people - something is off.

Some ranger skills (and other class skills) could simply be fixed by getting rid of this whole bs interrupts a full auto attack thing and instead each skill only pauses it for a short time not dependent on weapon speed or perhaps many select skills have a decent cast time but do not interrupt autos. With the new engine you can do this. Then you wouldn't have rogues complaining about instant ranged damage after a shadow nerf and end game rangers complaining that all dex does is give you energy issues.

It will be interesting to see what happens when they totally upend the game and give new skills/redo combat. I'm not getting my hopes up but it could go a long way to fixing things for everyone.

Yeah I'm not seeing anyone say increase dps but fix skills. Don't get me wrong, it's super awesome to just hit the attack button and I can walk away from my device but it'd be nice to have some skills to interact with.

The comparison to rogues was not to say make equal dps but that rogues have str and dex skills whereas rangers only have dex skills. What we're asking for is the option to have str skills should we choose a str build.

The equivalent of the situation would be if all rogue skills were dex only but skills like shadowstrike barely did much more than the auto damage.

I'm not quite following the Rangers are lost class cries tbh. At endgame they have very high dps, with a very useful tanking skill(bolas), awesome buffs and heals. While it is true most Rangers go full str because of dex skills sucking bad, the str auto build with buffs and semidecent-awesome gear makes this class a truly wonderful one. Buffing dex skills wont make it more dps imo, maybe lil more dps than str build at cost of energy consumption. I don't think it's fair to have range, awesome buffs, tanking ability and to have more dps than a rogue especially since tower came out.

If any Warriors dps on bosses should be beefed up massively as currently its a joke dps on bosses. Druids can also get some dps buffs for levelling purposes but I don't think rangers should

No one has issues with rangers' dps, but the only valid playstyle ranger has makes it so boring ..... I agree on a buff for warriors tho

Think most of you misunderstood me except friddo or I may have worded it poorly. My point is I see everywhere people saying ranger dex skills are broken and it is ofc, with people wanting to buff them to have an interactive skill based build. Yes it might make dex build equal to or maybe more dps than str build but with energy issues and evasions most will go back to str auto build. Then adding few more str based skills or making some dex skills str based is also a suggestion I see in ranger pleas. But tell me this wouldn't that make Rangers have exceptional autos AND good dmg skills? Not to mention the buffs associated with it. This will make them more dps than a rogue which in all fairness is just wrong. I'm not against fixing ranger skills or anything but I just can't see rangers being no1 dps over a class whose only purpose is dps and nothing more. And yes I know it was that way in past updates but whatever.

All classes have worthless skills and skills that need fixing. People are hesitant to agree to a fix for feeling left out but in reality if OTM addressed the problems everyone has been talking about for the last year maybe everyone would be happier.

But more than that what this game needs is variety. It's not easy but there probably should be a str and dex build for rangers. Just like every class needs several viable builds instead of no option.