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Should Druids Lightning have the same damage as a Mage fire bolt?
Hell YES!

this right here if lightning did the same damage of bolt druid out dps warrior and mage guess u didt think of this eh well i guess not all of us think before a post and u may wonder how? well if u maxed all your dmg skills (like most of the other classes do) and only maxed nature touch ( as if it was your form of a e shield) with 4 dps skills u would out dps both those classes so u implied that u wanted druids to out dps other classes im pretty sure swarms vines and storm touch would more then make up for firestorm and attunement and lighting would already have bolt covered maybe swarms and vines are tick dmg right? lets say them together hit about 2k a tick so in 3 ticks thats 6k dmg thats about the recharge of a firestorm not including your storm touch and they could probably deal more then 2k a tick together

I think you should get to know the Mage class more before you come onto the Druid forum and talk as if you actually know something. With Lures Mages will always trumph Druids. Lures allows Mages to increase their effectiveness for whatever type of damage they do. You do use Lures correct? You do understand how potentate they are correct.? You should consider using lures if you haven't yet....

Should Druids Lightning have the same damage as a Mage fire bolt?
Hell YES!

As my statement implies, I was referring to a skill, not the overall DPS capability of the class.

Also, to help you understand your class better, Frostbite after casting gets a immediate damage. Incinerate, vines, and swarm all have a full tick delay on their damage. Swarm also is a quarter the damage of vines, frostbite, or incinerate. Storm not only has a slow casting rate but you also have to be touching your target. The time it takes to run to the target increases the delay of the spell. Both firestorm and Ice blast cast be cast from a distances greatly increasing their effectiveness.

If lightning and storm were increase to match mages two main spells, and we had a nature attunment, mages would still overpower us with the help of lures. I have yet to find a Mage who uses magic lures.

Should Druids Lightning have the same damage as a Mage fire bolt?
Hell YES!

this right here if lightning did the same damage of bolt druid out dps warrior and mage guess u didt think of this eh well i guess not all of us think before a post and u may wonder how? well if u maxed all your dmg skills (like most of the other classes do) and only maxed nature touch ( as if it was your form of a e shield) with 4 dps skills u would out dps both those classes so u implied that u wanted druids to out dps other classes im pretty sure swarms vines and storm touch would more then make up for firestorm and attunement and lighting would already have bolt covered maybe swarms and vines are tick dmg right? lets say them together hit about 2k a tick so in 3 ticks thats 6k dmg thats about the recharge of a firestorm not including your storm touch and they could probably deal more then 2k a tick together

You realize that lightning has a much longer cooldown than firebolt, right? Don't remember exactly cause I haven't touched my druid in a year, but I believe it is something like 50 percent longer cooldown.
If that is right, since firebolt does substantially more damage than lightning atm unlured, it is practically double the dps of lightning on a training dummy/obelisk.
Now when u factor in lures: for training, with lure, an 8k firebolt is on average hitting probably 5-6k. An 8k lightning without lure is hitting about 2-3k, maybe less. So as a rough estimate firebolt does 4x more dps than lightning for training.
On bosses it gets even worse without lures and if any other dps druids are present about half or less of ur potential vines dps is used.
True, some druids (including me) can get kills on event boss or even hrungnir. But this was with my lure mage casting a maxed magic lure, and without the edl which skews it even more towards other classes

As someone who has played both a mage and druid to 190+, I would absolutely think it's fair for a druid to have a decent boost in dps. Whether it be making dots stackable, a new skill dmg skill, or an attune; as long as a full dps druid is worse (by just a little) dps than a full dps mage/ranger/rogue with equal tier gear I'm happy. But currently a full dps druid isn't a useful or viable setup. And dps is all this game revolves around nowadays

As a lv 183 druid (yes I need to update my signature ) I myself am not too bothered by the dps of my current druid.

ATM my build is

Lightning 50
vines 45
winds 45
Swarm 47
touch 30
bark 19

I switch rings and charms to get my touch 50 and bark 50 when I need too, for bossing etc. I get the armour to 1k with bark and a heal of 2.6k.

Leveling in the tower right now my lightning is between 1.5k - 3.5k
Vines: 1k - 2k
swarm: .5k - 1.2k

(Swarm drains 1k energy for every cast but I'm rolling 12k energy with heroic energy elixir so it isn't noticeable. )

The thing is that I have NO PROBLEM finding leveling partners, If I were to solo level I could manage, but I would slow down dramatically.

With magic lure from a mage cast onto the enemy my lightning strike is between 2.5k - 4.5k
vines: 1.5k - 2.5k
swarm .8k - 1.7k

So I can only imagine what a nature magic lure could do if stacked with a makes magic lure

And all the people saying swarm is a useless skill I think you're wrong

1. Noone said swarm is useless.
2. Your swarm doesn't hit 1.7k, sorry. And anyways it's poison dmg not magic. So magic lure doesn't affect the dmg of it
3. Your whole post revolves around group training. Try solo training and get back to us
4. A 30+ point lure takes mob resist down to 0. A magic lure from mage plus an additional lure from druid wouldn't boost dmg on mobs. And if they're the same skill they don't stack anyways
5. Tell us how many boss kills you've gotten. Endgame druids don't care for leveling builds. They kill bosses, whether it be as a dps or a support. And atm dps build is way outclassed

Lets also give rouges dagger attunement and warriors spear attunement. God its just Q.Q from casters and rangers. 99% of the time its just one issue that needs to be solved. Energy usage.

Lol do what?

I'm not sure what you're saying but it seems like you're gripping that we're gripping. Go play a class before you complain about the complaints they have.

Go play a class before you complain. Funny:) i have played every class more than enough. Casters have energy problems. Every class has problems. Yet everyone believes there class is entitled to some special buff

Lets also give rouges dagger attunement and warriors spear attunement. God its just Q.Q from casters and rangers. 99% of the time its just one issue that needs to be solved. Energy usage.

Lol do what?

I'm not sure what you're saying but it seems like you're gripping that we're gripping. Go play a class before you complain about the complaints they have.

Go play a class before you complain. Funny:) i have played every class more than enough. Casters have energy problems. Every class has problems. Yet everyone believes there class is entitled to some special buff

If you haven't played a class to a very high level then you don't understand the issues of playing that toon. What level is your druid?

1. Noone said swarm is useless.
2. Your swarm doesn't hit 1.7k, sorry. And anyways it's poison dmg not magic. So magic lure doesn't affect the dmg of it
3. Your whole post revolves around group training. Try solo training and get back to us
4. A 30+ point lure takes mob resist down to 0. A magic lure from mage plus an additional lure from druid wouldn't boost dmg on mobs. And if they're the same skill they don't stack anyways
5. Tell us how many boss kills you've gotten. Endgame druids don't care for leveling builds. They kill bosses, whether it be as a dps or a support. And atm dps build is way outclassed

+1 on all those.

Swarm will never hit anywhere near 1.7k. I wish it would. It's one of my favorite skills.

1. Noone said swarm is useless.
2. Your swarm doesn't hit 1.7k, sorry. And anyways it's poison dmg not magic. So magic lure doesn't affect the dmg of it
3. Your whole post revolves around group training. Try solo training and get back to us
4. A 30+ point lure takes mob resist down to 0. A magic lure from mage plus an additional lure from druid wouldn't boost dmg on mobs. And if they're the same skill they don't stack anyways
5. Tell us how many boss kills you've gotten. Endgame druids don't care for leveling builds. They kill bosses, whether it be as a dps or a support. And atm dps build is way outclassed

As I was browsing through forums last night I read a few times people mentioning swarms being a useless skill, it may have not been on this specific topic so just chill, it was targeted to anyone who was reading not just the people participating in the discussion.

I also stated

If I were to solo level I could manage, but I would slow down dramatically.

you can see I specifically involved "solo leveling" in my post so my whole post doesn't revolve around group leveling and incase you hadn't noticed the OP of this topic clearly labeled it and started the discussion off with his first post why druids are so underpowered, not why we are so bad at solo leveling.

I have tried solo leveling I did it from 90-120 and a few times here and there along the way.

I can confidently say my swarms has hit higher than I thought were possible. And I'm nowhere near endgame I'm only 183, and I'm not in "dps build " so your whole argument is invalid.

If it is of any use I am on android not ios I don't know if there's any differences in how things are played out on the different OS'...

You're attempt to put me down is bad and you should feel bad. This is a group discussion so let me have my input.

Lets also give rouges dagger attunement and warriors spear attunement. God its just Q.Q from casters and rangers. 99% of the time its just one issue that needs to be solved. Energy usage.

Lol do what?

I'm not sure what you're saying but it seems like you're gripping that we're gripping. Go play a class before you complain about the complaints they have.

Go play a class before you complain. Funny:) i have played every class more than enough. Casters have energy problems. Every class has problems. Yet everyone believes there class is entitled to some special buff

If you haven't played a class to a very high level then you don't understand the issues of playing that toon. What level is your druid?[/quote]
100. Very high lvl? Lmao dont drag me into the grind. Filthy grinder. I understand the issues perfectly

I am not trying to make you feel bad, just pointing out some major errors that you made. Swarm can not possibly hit 1.7k; not even close. With your level and build, I doubt it is even getting to 1k. I don't even know why you'd be using it for training anyways, since it's a waste of skill points. Good for bosses, bad for leveling for multiple reasons. Noone said that druids are under powered for group leveling. OP said druids are underpowered in general. They're trash for soloing, and trash for dpsing on almost every boss, and that is what I and many high level (emphasis on word high) druids think need to be tweaked. I am not talking about otherworld, so why do you mention level 90-120 soloing in your "counter argument"? How often are you trying to ffa on hrungnir, mordris, or edl bosses and coming out with kills? Never. And that is why the high (emphasis on word high) levels are complaining. Training a druid is the hardest class to get to endgame. You are completely reliant on finding groups because you absolutely can not solo effectively in tower. And if you're doing that much more work than other classes, isn't it fair to expect to be rewarded? A level 220 druid with godly gear has worse dps than a 180 rogue, even though it took 10 times longer (and 10 times the lix) to get to that level.

Your turn, tell us how overpowered druids are