Celtic Heroes

Nice personal insult , it's unfortunate then when you lose an argument you have to resort to such failed attempts to uh, 'reedem' your honour?

On belenus, all the friends of the gens get geared first and there is lots of unfair distribution , you can pretend otherwise but from being in belenus and talking with some people that's how a lot of your clannies feel.

The only con I can see to the point system is it caters to players with more gaming available schedules. I played daily for years. Now I'm in a situation where I can't log frequently. If we did points, someone who had been playing a small fraction of the time but can play daily would blow past me in points. This would mean all the years I spent collecting points would mean nothing when a godly or imperial item dropped.

Yes, and thats completely fair. The one playing daily is the one contributing. Whatever you did one year ago shouldnt mean as much in the present, when a godly item that can benefit the clan goes to a daily player, that is preferable than going to a veteran that only login once a week. Clan first, individuals last.

Then do you guys ask the players that can only log once or twice a week to give their gear up to the players that play every day.

The only con I can see to the point system is it caters to players with more gaming available schedules. I played daily for years. Now I'm in a situation where I can't log frequently. If we did points, someone who had been playing a small fraction of the time but can play daily would blow past me in points. This would mean all the years I spent collecting points would mean nothing when a godly or imperial item dropped.

Yes, and thats completely fair. The one playing daily is the one contributing. Whatever you did one year ago shouldnt mean as much in the present, when a godly item that can benefit the clan goes to a daily player, that is preferable than going to a veteran that only login once a week. Clan first, individuals last.

Then do you guys ask the players that can only log once or twice a week to give their gear up to the players that play every day.

Nah, we don't require them to, but many do volunteer to loan them out to clannies until they get back to a more active status. Most of our members know that it'll only help the clan if the best items get put to use.
If they quit the game though, we do ask for the raid gear back for redistribution.

On belenus, all the friends of the gens get geared first and there is lots of unfair distribution , you can pretend otherwise but from being in belenus and talking with some people that's how a lot of your clannies feel.

First, go play on Belenus.
Second, the fact is I told u dkp is just as flawed, and u decided that it isnt, even tho u were shown that it is.
Third, 'lost an argument', this is really a kid's comment, we dont argue to win or lose, we argue over differences in points of view and because it is up for discussion, this pathetic desire or urge or whatever u would rather call it to 'win' an argument makes u use flawed statements in the first place, like saying 'dkp is flawless', because ur so stuck on winning rather than seeing the bigger picture.

Last but not least, Im a banker of the clan myself, I'll give a drop to whoever deserves it and I dont decide alone for serious drops, unless only one person asked, and Id rather give it to him than it sitting in the bank if he doesnt feel like wasting points. Being a banker, feel free friddo to attempt joining Elementals and kiss my ass, even through secret identity, I promise it wont help u.

In our voting systems we also have rules, all drops are posted for at least 72 hours before its handed out/voted for, and if its a vote it lasts for at least 48 hours for the best judgment. Banker doesnt give out top tier drops without a vote, unless asked by one person, and will put on a vote any tough decision between many.
Banker doesnt give out any drop when he feels biased towards someone, that means, it can be relationships (for example if a married couple plays and one is the banker he/she will not give the other drops over tough decision), and if I want a drop of my own bank I will put my name down and put myself to a vote just like anyone else.


Nothing is perfect, even this system has bias and flaws, its the difference in trying to gain trust and loyalty, and trying to involve more ppl who worked hard in clan thus got promoted (guards vote on dl and edl, weapons and offhands, together with gens), while trying to have discussions over what benefits more. When every drop is decided case by case, then every drop makes us discuss over what benefits the clan the most.

Anything else? Again, never said its perfect, neither is dkp, dont be with ur head in the wall just so u wont need to listen to others why is dkp imperfect like any other system, and dont base ur points on 'ass kissing' just because u had to on Epona, and whine later why I bring that up.

Wow so your clan votes? How do you use points or do you use them? It would be an unusual clan where voting didn't simply result in excess drama or a outright popularity contest. Actually curious to hear more of how this works.

Please tell me where I kissed ass? Oh wait you can't. It never happened.

Ok dkp may be flawed.. I'll concede. But dkp is easily the best system as it ensures fair play regardless of personal emotions. Which removes the point ass kissing, like you have to do in belenus to get geared.

Your pathetic silly personal attacks on me stem from the fact you have no legitimate arguments to throw at me, so you chuck in some of those, why don't you also talk about how homosexual I am with dilvar? That would be real mature.

Please refrain from insulting and personal attacks, don't want this to be locked, I'm also curious on how the voting works without kissing the officers ass. I have experienced this voting from my previous clan. And it's hard to put up a vote between group of individuals who wanted the same item without any basis or data like points or attendance and such, if you don't see a player online doesn't mean he isn't helping while you are offline or other officers. Or if you don't like a member, how will he win an item he deserves.

I wonder, as a officer who wanted a drop, how can you prove yourself more worthy of the vote against a clansman without being your fellow officers being bias. How can you rate a player if you have diff time zones? Because even in real life politics, you will get hurt if you didn't get a vote from your friend, so it's hard to avoid being personal.

Please share, this voting system is really hard

Wow so your clan votes? How do you use points or do you use them? It would be an unusual clan where voting didn't simply result in excess drama or a outright popularity contest. Actually curious to hear more of how this works.

The gens vote on drops if more than one person requests, they also get seniority on drops. Gens/guards will also occasionally vote on things. Like any system its not perfect but it works well enough for us. I believe in rewarding someone in proportion to the amount of effort they put in, a points system does that best. It removes all bias and emotions that comes from voting, it would be impossible to not have personal feelings affecting our decisions unless we were robots. Numbers cant lie, rank and popularity should never be a factor for drop distribution imo unless were talking about recruits on probation.

We have the numbers and firepower to down bosses a lot more regularly then we do now, i believe a points system would really help us to achieve that, it would put everyone on an even playing field - which is only fair- and motivate people to log for bosses which we admittidely stuggle at. There are other factors that need to be considered as well tho which a points system cant account for and thats where the loot council makes up for its shortcomings. Just my honest opinion

Im also curious to hear how clans treat alt/mains - differently or the same - and if differently have you had problems of people lying about who logs the toons to game the system.