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Re: Fire bolt vs Firestorm

#41
(as u will use bolt boosting gear and not firestorm, Mamba's bolt hits harder than his storm), ice shards will clearly top storm's dmg.
based on what assumption?
your basing all your statistics off one mage which is moronically hilarious, dont you think you should widen your views? :)

lets assume u have godly of everything

800 storm from helm 650 storm from legs and i think 650 from charm.

thats 2100 boosted storm.

ill be generous and assume you have 3 royal firebolt rings
Firebolt
400 Bp
270x3 =810
510 brace
500 boots
all together thats 2220 Firebolt.

an extra 120 damage to firebolt isnt going to make it hit higher than the more power that storm has in its skill page
(assuming your stupid enough too use 3 firebolt rings)

i decided to neglect gele rings as there is firebolt and firestorm ones which firestorm add more.
Oderint Dum Metuant.

Re: Fire bolt vs Firestorm

#42
1. 3 mages. Armo, BlackMamba and MaryJane from Belenus. All 3 are 215+ and 2 are the most active mages here.
2. Telling me I have moronically assumptions, then assumes a build with full Godly/Void gear.
3. Using this event's Firestorm charm.... Laughable.

If u want I will ask other mages who have used that build on Belenus (now we have less mages so they switched to lures for Proteus), BlackMamba's post is the only one I could have proven, as I dont have access to Armo's account nor our clan's top mages in order to screenshot and prove it to u. How did u say free dough? Think before u speak.

EDIT : Since ur really hard to work with I even have another one :

4. Assumes using full Godly on Firestorm but only Royal at best for Firebolt, this is getting funny. Not to mention Ice Shards' boosts are stronger than Firestorm's all around, rings, occult gloves (which is a better choice than edl gloves if ur already going for occult), DG if full....

EDIT #2 : Just to show u how better Ice Shards is dmg wise alone :

90.164*sqrt(Focus) + 25.515*sqrt(Fire Magic) + 365.43 - Thats lvl 50 firestorm's formula not including attune, the parameters for fire magic and focus are both lower than ice shards' for focus and ice magic , here :

Level 50 Ice Shards Damage = 96.322*sqrt(Focus) + 30.47*sqrt(Ice Magic) + 702.43

96.322 vs 90.164 - parameters on focus.

30.47 vs 25.515 - parameters on ice/fire magic.

702.43 vs 365.43 - the additional dmg for each skill at lvl 50, with ice shards' being almost x2 of firestorm's.
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Re: Fire bolt vs Firestorm

#43
once again ur forgetting ice/fire magic and fire attune.

3 fire bolt rings is already unrealistic, most mages would only use one. it would be overkill to make all 3 godly.
I personally would use this Firestorm charm as i didnt get a imp+ firebolt charm from last ostara so i am restricted to a fb skull.


Also not to mention a fire mage uses fire lure not ice. try ice shards unlured vs firestorm lured :lol: :lol: because at some bosses you cant have both.

Armo himself said his storm is higher than his bolt. so idk what you are on about.

i assumed the build just to show the difference, would it make any difference if i used all mightys?
Oderint Dum Metuant.

Re: Fire bolt vs Firestorm

#45
once again ur forgetting ice/fire magic and fire attune.

3 fire bolt rings is already unrealistic, most mages would only use one. it would be overkill to make all 3 godly.
I personally would use this Firestorm charm as i didnt get a imp+ firebolt charm from last ostara so i am restricted to a fb skull.


Also not to mention a fire mage uses fire lure not ice. try ice shards unlured vs firestorm lured :lol: :lol: because at some bosses you cant have both.

Armo himself said his storm is higher than his bolt. so idk what you are on about.

i assumed the build just to show the difference, would it make any difference if i used all mightys?
1. Yes it would.
2. I said ice shards.
3. Ice shards emberdrake charm, 15% cooldown reduction with 9000 dmg equals to 1350 extra dmg (dps-wise).
4. Most mages wouldnt have godly firestorm helm.
5. Many mages use 3 firebolt rings.
6. I mentioned both fire and ice magic, and Ice Shards has much higher parameters.
7. Another idiotic statement, on a boss fight u have both lures. If again ur saying mages are for banes its no wonder why u cant get both lures at once.

So much lols and stupid emojis, it makes ur argument really childish and stupid.
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Re: Fire bolt vs Firestorm

#46
However when you are a fire mage using ice magic skills you often miss out on valuable Ice Magic ability bonuses that gear from that type of mage would be. So due to the Firestorm skill being boosted by Fire Attunement in addition to the Fire Magic provided through gear you use such as.

All this fire magic will decrease one of the most important elements in a Mages DPS, Ability.

Due to any proper mage would have about 5000+ of their own ability before another i would estimate randomly that the time taken to cast firestorm over ice shards would not give any distinct advantage due to the amount of extra evades that would most likely occur.

As to the gear swaps that could be possible i think it highly unlikely that most mages would gear swap more than 1 or 2 gears simply due to the hassle and i dont think its wise to consider gear swaps in such a basic assumption due to the amount of extra variables that would need to be included.

Ability is not important at all, you evade so little that it make negligible difference. It is not like attack for rangers. I have 3740 fire magic and 2534+ ice (156 from max still). I do not see any difference between the percentage hits on both; again, they are so high that it's not even worth counting hits and misses. All your arguments come from opinions, and you can't even put in the effort to give exact numbers? You gave a 2k uncertainty range for the damage of a skill you're arguing for lol.

Dps is damage per second. You said firestorm is 17 seconds? Well firebolt is 2-3 times faster in that case. Your "godly everything" crap means adding 700-1k firebolt adds more damage than 2k firestorm. You get there already by using occult bp boots and beastbone gloves (1200). Nice argument

Ice shards has a shorter time between cast, as you've already stated. Adding an equal amount of firestorm and iceshards gear means ice gets a proportional dps advantage. Godly shards hrung helm adds 1k while godly firestorm only adds 800 (almost 27% more dps). Examining gele rings, firestorm adds 1013 for godly and iceshards 1350. An even bigger dps boost, with 41% more on that single item. I could go on all day, but you'll just continue arguing garbage like (but firestorm hits 5-15k in stat page!!). Long story short, the best dps skills are firebolt iceshards and firestorm. In that order.
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Last edited by BlackMamba on Wed May 18, 2016 7:04 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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Re: Fire bolt vs Firestorm

#47
once again ur forgetting ice/fire magic and fire attune.
Also not to mention a fire mage uses fire lure not ice. try ice shards unlured vs firestorm lured :lol: :lol: because at some bosses you cant have both
My shards hits higher and does better dps than firestorm with more fire magic and an attune of 1928. Does just fine on bosses as well, I hit around max dmg with 30 in ice lure, proteus is obviously going to be maxed, and mages suck on mord and necro anyways
Level 220 mage- InnerCircle of Rhiannon
Necro, proteus, unox kills :D
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