Yea and I could say the same about Acolytes, great feeder clan imo... that was until Axon and a few others that ran it gave up on it leaving everyone in the dust except for a few that got to join alliance early including me.
I don't know how to emphasise this more, but avandesora is NOT a feeder clan for alliance.
Although some people really wanted that I don't. I tell my avande clannies that they are totally free to make their own choices, can decide where they want to go. Avande is not a free ticket into alliance, they are seperate clans. We do have a few alts from alliance members in avande, but they are in there because they love helping newer players like me.
Lets start on the topic about clans that fell apart... You were in all of them, aco, indep, phalanx. What a coincidence that a positive mind like you was in all of those clans during their downfall?