Celtic Heroes

ewwwwwwwwwww a berserker... yuck dispose this...

Vold ignore that ***.

I would like to make a plea to the members of my clan: please stop some of the unpleasant talk about a clan war with Berserkers. I know there have been some incidents, but we have had clan wars and they are not fun or pleasant. Our rivalry with Berserkers should be a friendly one. Use the arena if you want to compete.

Our clan has become quite powerful recently. This is because we have been recruiting a lot of new members - and they join in part because we have a good reputation, are tolerant, and are honorable. Clan chat about ancient only groups or KSing Berserkers is unpleasant, and undermines everything we have worked for. Warren Buffett said something along the lines of 'It takes 20 years to build a great reputation and 30 seconds to ruin it.'

ON GROUPING:
There is nothing wrong with mixed groups. I find it distasteful to hear that someone was excluded from a group just because of the clan they were in. Ancients have generally been open to allowing others into our groups, even low levels for quest kills. When is it ok to exclude someone from a group:

1. if the kill is over half done.
2. The specific person has demonstrated repeated poor behavior.
3. The person is too low level to affect the boss, and the drop is too valuable.

There are not many people who can take on OW bosses. If you get a bad reputation, you may find yourself excluded from groups later on. Think ahead, be a good sport, act honorably, and don't beg for drops.

ON KILL STEALING:
Not everything is a kill steal!

If two groups are gathering (or two people are preparing) - the second to attack is not kill stealing. Two groups that start at the same time are in competition, there is nothing wrong with that. Please make it friendly competition.

It is not kill stealing if you have a group that is large and not yet attacking when another groups (smaller perhaps) comes up and starts and wins.

It is NOT Kill Stealing when you are hunting druids in the Garden and start your attack only to see an arrow fly into your target and some ranger gets the kill. Most likely, you both started at the same time or just didn't see each other. Just apologize and move on. if there are not many of you, ask to split the kills (each person takes half the garden). If there are a lot of people there - then it is just a free for all - have fun and do your best. if you are not getting kills, go somewhere without competition.

When is it kill stealing? If a groups has clearly started (say 20% or more health off boss) and can clearly finish (though it may take a long time). A more powerful group coming in and doing a lot of damage and taking the kill is poor sportsmanship. That is KSing. It disturbs me to hear of Ancients doing it.

If another clan excludes you, do not take it as permission to act poorly. Rise above it. Acting honorably and with good manners will be noticed and in the long run will pay plenty of dividends. You cannot expect to be in every kill. That's ok.

If you act well, help others, demonstrate good sportsmanship and helpfulness toward lower levels who are not in our clan, you will build on the great reputation of the clan which will make us stronger.

I love that most of our clan chat is positive - helping others or coming to aid. Sometimes there are great discussions about the philosophy of the clan. Sometimes we have to deal with unpleasant clan business - but we try to do so in a professional manner. let's keep the positive attitude.

Obviously, I cannot speak for Toycat, and these thoughts are my own. But the philosophy has served me well and I have enjoyed this clan so much because I see this basic philosophy in play by those who have been in the clan much longer than I have.

Thank you

Yes, I agree. Berserkers is a separate clan but that doesn't mean we can't work together. As a clan we need to build a good reputation and this is not possible by behaving immaturely. As a clan, we must rise above the small things and get stronger theology politeness and maturity.

We talk too much about the ks , killing with no idols , not fair in group , invite or boss fighting ,and let some good clanmate leave our clan(just say sorry with vegas and sarge).im to clean out some situation to refer to Toycat.

Make a Group rule:
1.If u got group but not clan one u need leave grp then join clan one. (ex: MR with he's real life friend or jay and x123)
2.When boss killed half way dont ask join grp or let new one in ,but u can help killing. (im do it all the way.)
3.before killing boss u need spare idols at least 10 more. (clanmate can share 5-10 idols but u need pay 200g ea)
4.When u bring ur friend join clan's grp ,u need to obtain in agreement with clanmate.
5.died run only allow iron at bridge , stonefang near temple , rock & bonehead with ur heroes boots, redbone near leystone, only fal u need spare all idols u need.
6.When killing boss, u run out of idols and lying down on the ground or no hitting just stand there and get the drop thats worst things .(we'll regrp except u, or give drop to who's killed boss one).

if u dont follow this rule. our clan will take punitive actions. like give some idols to clan bank or someone, give drop to clanbank or someone, the last way is remove ur name from clan's list.

sorry to make this rule bcs too many case like that before, Please add if any condition misses.

PS:Sorry my grammar is awful. but just try to say it clear. welcome some one revise this rule to make it more correct.

Thank you.

We talk too much about the ks , killing with no idols , not fair in group , invite or boss fighting ,and let some good clanmate leave our clan(just say sorry with vegas and sarge).im to clean out some situation to refer to Toycat.

Make a Group rule:
1.If u got group but not clan one u need leave grp then join clan one. (ex: MR with he's real life friend or jay and x123)
2.When boss killed half way dont ask join grp or let new one in ,but u can help killing. (im do it all the way.)
3.before killing boss u need spare idols at least 10 more. (clanmate can share 5-10 idols but u need pay 200g ea)
4.When u bring ur friend join clan's grp ,u need to obtain in agreement with clanmate.
5.died run only allow iron at bridge , stonefang near temple , rock & bonehead with ur heroes boots, redbone near leystone, only fal u need spare all idols u need.
6.When killing boss, u run out of idols and lying down on the ground or no hitting just stand there and get the drop thats worst things .(we'll regrp except u, or give drop to who's killed boss one).

if u dont follow this rule. our clan will take punitive actions. like give some idols to clan bank or someone, give drop to clanbank or someone, the last way is remove ur name from clan's list.

sorry to make this rule bcs too many case like that before, Please add if any condition misses.

PS:Sorry my grammar is awful. but just try to say it clear. welcome some one revise this rule to make it more correct.

Thank you.

I'll make it clearer for others

We talk too much about the kill stealing, killing with no idols, unfair groups, boss fight invites, and have let some good clansmates leave our clan (just say sorry to Vegas and Sarge). I'm going to clean up the situation (with Toycat?)

Make a grouping rule:
1. If you're in a group that is not the clan's then you must join a group with your own clan's (e.g. MrPvP with his real life friend or Jaylon and x123)
2. If a boss is killed more than halfway, no one can join the group but they can assist externally.
3. Everyone should have at least 10 idols before killing a boss (clan-mates can share 5-10 idols by paying 200g each)
4. Clansmen have to agree if an external player can join a group that is not a member of the clan
5. If you die, you can only run from the Bridge for Ironspike; the Temple for Stonefang; the Leystones for Rockbelly and Bonehead (provided you have heroic boots of speed) and you need spare idols for Falgren.
6. When you die and run out of idols in a boss fight, you can't just lie there not contributing and get the drop or stand and do nothing. We may regroup and give the drop to who's actually contributed.

Breaching these rules will lead to punishment, such as giving some idols to the clan bank or someone else (the same applies to drops), and in some cases remove you from the clan.

I hope the meaning's the same, Ani!

And I don't necessarily agree with all of these, especially the idol limit. I would also like to add that people should not delay their resurrection if they die.

Hello to all.

Thank you for your contribution. I will think about the grouping rules update and make the necessary changes soon.

Just to make it clear. I am optimist and I am trying to help others by nature. But I am no fool and I do not like nor support so called "smart asses" who exploit others. I am willing to give a second chance when I see a level of improvement and a will to "not to be such an ass as before". But I will not tolerate continuous behavior which would drive others to leave the clan.

Just please realize, that since we possibly have different time zones it might take some time before I collect all the necessary information about a person who deserves to be kicked out. I would like you to help me with this not by leaving the clan (which is the simplest way for you to do), but by helping me to improve the clan members quality.

Some people do strange stuff without understanding the consequences. This could be because of cultural differences or anything else. They are not bad by nature, but no one bothered to tell them that a particular behavior is not welcomed. These people just need a little guidance and they become a great assets to you. So do not judge harshly when someone seems to be annoying.

Of course there are people who are "wild" by nature and they will never follow any rules except "I do what's the best for me and I do not care about others". These could pretend to be "good guys" and play it nicely to one side while doing bad things on the other side making harm before they are identified and expelled. Only in movies a villain looks like a villain. The really bad guys are not annoying but they are smooth and "shiny".

Anyway I would like to open another topic.

What I am strongly missing in all the discussions here is a team factor of the game. It does not really matter what clan you are. The "clan wars" are good for fun but taking seriously "to kill everything outside my clan" is silly at best. It seems to me that only a few understand that the game is mainly about team play. This means that the team (all the players) should help each other in hard fights and distribute stuff to make us all stronger.

I understand that in the real life you have to pay for everything. In the game you don't need to if you understand that by giving a friend a free item which you do not need will give you two or maybe three benefits.
- First, the friend will most likely return you the favor when he can. That's what friends just do. Some of us are just luckier on drops then others and taking an advantage of it is a short term benefit only.
- Second, you will save your resources in every fight when your friend is with you. He or she would be stronger, die less and saves pots and idols which will most likely save your pots and idols too. Also by helping your friend to become stronger makes the fight shorter which again will save resources of the whole group.
- And third, not only your friend will like you more, but other people will like you more too. You set a good example, others will know that you are not a selfish "***" and will invite you more into fights where you can get the real good stuff you need.

The understanding of the team play is quite simple. Be a team player and the whole team including you will benefit from it greatly for a long time. Be selfish and you could benefit from it for a short time, but in the longer term you will end up alone and weak without the stuff you need and without any friends to help you get it. The gold is just an incentive for players to be greedy and spend more real money to have everything quicker. You could also be a "***" and buy everything. But the really good stuff will probably not come to you anyway, because rare items are very rarely sold and are kept amongst friends.

The conclusion is, that if you will get over having everything now and you are willing to give something away you will get much back more in time.

Thank you all for reading and I am looking forward to any responses.

Toycat

Absolutely agree with Toycat. Teamwork is paramount for the functioning of a healthy clan. All his reasons are credible and that is the exact reason I ALWAYS offer any spare items to my brother first, then the clan at absolutely no cost. If no one is interested, I wait 24 hours just incase an offline player requires the item and then I sell at a relatively cheap price. (Especially dragon fragments. When I get hold of more of them I will sell for 20k max not this 100k business!)

thank you for your clear thoughts on the matter. We should not be in a postion where experienced and good players are leaving because of poor behavior of lower level, newer members. New members should be given insight into their poor behavior, and kicked if no improvement. I hope we can rectify matters and get our members back.

thanks Toycat

Hello clan members.

Once again I have updated the rules. You can find them on the second page of this thread.

I advise all of you to read the rules and follow them. It is nothing strange nor unusual. The whole rule set is about good manners and a team play only.

We do not want solo, selfish, and greedy players inside the clan. Any so called "smart-asses" will be kicked out swiftly and banned from the clan even if they manage to get in somehow so I am advising to save your efforts to all who are concerned.

Have a fun playing the game.

Toycat

I absolutely disagree with the idol limits. You are penalising me and other people for:
a) not being able to buy idols with platinum
b) being slower than others to buy idols with gold.

I may not die very much in a fight, but I do deal a significant amount of damage to be in the group. This rule will prevent me from improving and so you will force me to have to buy everything. That is not the point of Celtic Heroes. The tank (and possibly dps) must have idols, not everyone. I can normally get away with one idol for the whole fight.

That rule has been added with no feedback at all from the rest of the clan and I request for it to be removed.

See Dumbledore's post below for the other dispute with the rules. There's no point of me being in the clan if I'm pressured to spend money I meet your requirements. You are all so good to me but these rules are just getting ridiculous now.

Otherwise the rules are fine. I need to get levelling I suppose.