Celtic Heroes

We really don't need to be comparing our clan management styles. Each clan has built theirs in the way that makes the most sense for its members.
We never intended to start a back and forth attack. It became that. I really wish it hadn't.

If the bug gets fixed then our differences/disagreements as clans can be swept under the rug for awhile maybe. It would be great if we could come to a friendly understanding though.

If however it takes a few months to fix the issue, it would be great if we could work on an agreement in writing and post it for both clans to communicate with its members.
If after that things fall apart, well at least we will have tried one more time.

@Kril wasn't it? Because the whole story did just that!

If there was a way to believe that an agreement that could be stuck to existed that would be the best outcome for everyone but for me personally I can't see that happening when clearly trust between us is non-existent.

In this real time based game OTM created there's really no Winners in a server that has more than 1 clan competing for the same bosses, sure one team may get the boss on one spawn cycle but you'll never get them all and since bosses are infinite anyways nobody can ever win only the game wins.

Servers that have been mature enough to band together to beat the game like Epona while obviously not perfect probably have the right idea or servers that where able to strike a deal taking Gelebron in turns eliminating the feeling that one team isn't progressing or losing eliminating all this ridiculous hate and stupidity we all clearly share the same interest which is this game so it's not like nobody has anything in common and as previously mentioned the only thing that seperates people's opinions and perceptions is a "clan banner" as when people leave 1 to go to another there able to see that point of view it's funny really because if you eliminated the competition and banners you'd find quite quickly how we're all just the same and probably all play for similar reasons.

What we're doing in a mobile app is no different to what politicians do with armies across the world.

I guess as the same species in any format were all as stupid as each-other. Well not all because some have been able to move past this just most of us.

@Kril wasn't it? Because the whole story did just that!

If there was a way to believe that an agreement that could be stuck to existed that would be the best outcome for everyone but for me personally I can't see that happening when clearly trust between us is non-existent.

In this real time based game OTM created there's really no Winners in a server that has more than 1 clan competing for the same bosses, sure one team may get the boss on one spawn cycle but you'll never get them all and since bosses are infinite anyways nobody can ever win only the game wins.

Servers that have been mature enough to band together to beat the game like Epona while obviously not perfect probably have the right idea or servers that where able to strike a deal taking Gelebron in turns eliminating the feeling that one team isn't progressing or losing eliminating all this ridiculous hate and stupidity we all clearly share the same interest which is this game so it's not like nobody has anything in common and as previously mentioned the only thing that seperates people's opinions and perceptions is a "clan banner" as when people leave 1 to go to another there able to see that point of view it's funny really because if you eliminated the competition and banners you'd find quite quickly how we're all just the same and probably all play for similar reasons.

What we're doing in a mobile app is no different to what politicians do with armies across the world.

I guess as the same species in any format were all as stupid as each-other. Well not all because some have been able to move past this just most of us.

I think we can all agree to those comments, Seph.

As for the trust issue, both sides would need to be willing to forgive past issues/misunderstandings/whatever for the purpose of moving toward something better.

I think we can do that.

I will need to leave it to the leaders to work that out.

Indeed otm must do their part of fixing the bug

While we as a server must find a way to end this nonsense of griefing, no one is innocent in this matter, however a change can surely fix the strains it has put on people especially those who aren't accustomed to what our clans have come to. We don't need to be destroying ourselves, but destroying these bosses and show we are the most dominant server of all servers

What we're doing in a mobile app is no different to what politicians do with armies across the world.

Why be Nazi Germany? Poland was invaded by Germany in World War II, that was unfair, the whole world saw it and Germany was grilled for that.

If you're going to compare this game to real life then I will call out the griefing initiated by your clan as invading Poland, and so be ready to be grilled for that like Germany.

I do agree with your quoted statement but its entirely up to the leaders what kind of state they want, if they want to invade a peaceful state and make bad blood thats up to them and they must bear the consequences.

It's never too late to withdraw your troops from the battlefield.

Your seriously going to liken a virtual situation to the atrocities and horrors committed in world war? Have some respect please!

My reference was only to the fact that most soldiers have no personal feeling or reason to be engaged in a skirmish or war with their opponents these days beyond the fact that they are required to follow orders & told that this group is to be their enemy a lot of there's a famous poem by Thomas Hardy "A man he killed" which depicts this but I really don't think it's appropriate to liken our virtual situation to one of the greatest tragedies this world has ever known!.

Your seriously going to liken a virtual situation to the atrocities and horrors committed in world war? Have some respect please!

My reference was only to the fact that most soldiers have no personal feeling or reason to be engaged in a skirmish or war with their opponents these days beyond the fact that they are required to follow orders & told that this group is to be their enemy a lot of there's a famous poem by Thomas Hardy "A man he killed" which depicts this but I really don't think it's appropriate to liken our virtual situation to one of the greatest tragedies this world has ever known!.

I was only referring to the act of invasion, I am fully aware of the atrocities Germany committed during that period.

Then don't make light of it we didn't invade you it's already been shown in full detail thanks to you the catalyst, which is us holding Gelebron although not a noble thing to do it didn't waste your resources, we didn't attack anyone & in order to hold him we had to win a lock outright in the first place! So we didn't do anything against you except stall for time for our own benefit, I believe it was you who attacked in retaliation which in your own analogy makes you the invaders not us.

Essentially you could say we are two nations who both had our sights on conquest of an abandoned island (maybe rife with Oil or something) we both went about it peacefully to begin with, then our nation employed tactics to put as ahead and in response you all out attacked us because clearly you wanted the island so badly that any means necessary was valid, after a long war with some casualties on both side you eventually seek outside aid & in this try to make it out like we are the villains & you the victims when this is not the case at all, we've both participated in the same stupidity neither one is victim or villain we're both to blame for all of it.

So like I said I agree the bug needs to be looked at and fixed if possible which from Muldars responses today clearly it is been, but enough of this sob story nonsense it's not doing anyone any favours.

Well you all act like little kids who won't stop hitting each other until someone is put into a time out.

Even if OTM will do something about the bash issue will it really change anything? No it won't. Cause let's face it, that is not the real problem here. That will not end the griefing that's getting worse and worse every week.

Is coming here in forum and saying all the dirty stuff each clan do will make a difference? No it won't. You guys are just showing to everyone how ugly our server is.

Sadly, we all lost respect to each other. And it's all because of lack of communication. Everytime our clans meet at a certain boss we mostly got carried away, do silly stuff and say disgusting words. Both clans need to calm down.

If you're tired of it, we are too. And approaching us is the best thing to do. We've done it before. Seph approached you first, all he wanted was for the server to be peaceful for once. But sadly it didn't work well. And both parties were at fault to that. We tried. So I guess it's your turn to make a proposal on how this awful griefing stop. Who knows maybe you have more effective solution to this. Pretty sure our clan will be willing to listen as long as it's sincere and fair. But if this is not one of your options, then there's nothing I can do.

Coming to forum will not always solve the problem. Sometimes you're just putting more flame to the tension that's already happening. Yes you want to ask OTM to fix something. But the intention of the post was lead to different direction cause of the unnecessary details. Actually to the real issue. And OTM can't do anything to fix it. The only people who can really make things right are your leaders and ours.