Celtic Heroes

While I agree with this, I doubt OTM will decide to preference any one class over another, even if the stats do support your argument. That being said, what I think OTM needs to do is significantly lower the spawn times of frozen bosses. Its ridiculous that they are higher than DL and EDL bosses, and the 38 orbs you need for full frozen plus weapon is a massive bottleneck to the game that limits our higher level populations.

disagree. players need to take their time and learn the game. whats creating the bottleneck is the pressure to speed level to 220. I took my time and had no problem at all freezing every single account I had gotten to frozen level. The only players i know who have had any sort of problems are those that try to get to eg level in 1-3 months of joining game. They end up getting eg level and eg gear and quit a few months after because they don't know game mechanics...

Shouldn't have to explain target lock to level 190's. I don't mind doing it but imo players need to take their time and progress in the game, learn their class and earn their gear. OTM already has decreased frozen spawn times, Grom used to spawn once every 2-4 hours, now it spawns once every 2 hours.
Instead of complaining try not rushing. Enjoy being a noob. There is a reason why there is event gear and lux for lower levels, its because players are supposed to be those levels.

First off just because I have a different opinion as you, does not in fact make me a noob as you so say. Nor does it mean i am complaining, I am bring up a valid point which I believe is an issue in the game.

Grom does not spawn every two hours, his timer (along with Pyrus) is every 2 hours and 55 minutes. The counterpoint longest boss spawn for DL armor is Snorri at 1 hour 50 minutes. In fact only one Frozen boss (Eye at 1 hour 44 minutes) has a shorter timer than the longest DL boss. This is the issue I was pointing out and is what I was referring to as the bottleneck. If you look at the timers of each armor quest chain, there is a steady progression, then a spike with frozen, and then back to the steady progression. I see more competition on every single frozen boss than I do for any of the lower DL (K/P/Spidey) bosses, I believe because of this bottleneck. I am not advocating rushing, but at the same time OTM has now made it easier to level by editing the XP curve. It is not unreasonable to expect there to be more people needing frozen items (and actually all armor items), which will make this bottleneck grow. I think OTM needs to revisit the current boss timers, specifically this imbalance at frozen and also take a big picture look at it given the new XP curve.

People shouldn't rush.

I don't see why game needs to be rushed.

You keep saying 'people shouldnt rush' then you go around saying stuff like this:

I'm just that one odd person lol. If i have the gear and I have the lixs I'll lix. leveled my warrior from 170-215 in 2 weeks.

So its ok for yourself to 'rush' but you want everyone else to slow down? Ok then... lmfaooooooo

I enjoyed lixing. But i have been playing since 2012. That's over 4 years to get to 220. Once I had dl I lixed to 220, but I waited at each point to get my gear to do the quests at that level. Lixed from 1-80,80-105,105-130, 130-170, 170-180, and 180-220

Not really contradictory. I loved lixing but I didn't rush game.

While I agree with this, I doubt OTM will decide to preference any one class over another, even if the stats do support your argument. That being said, what I think OTM needs to do is significantly lower the spawn times of frozen bosses. Its ridiculous that they are higher than DL and EDL bosses, and the 38 orbs you need for full frozen plus weapon is a massive bottleneck to the game that limits our higher level populations.

disagree. players need to take their time and learn the game. whats creating the bottleneck is the pressure to speed level to 220. I took my time and had no problem at all freezing every single account I had gotten to frozen level. The only players i know who have had any sort of problems are those that try to get to eg level in 1-3 months of joining game. They end up getting eg level and eg gear and quit a few months after because they don't know game mechanics...

Shouldn't have to explain target lock to level 190's. I don't mind doing it but imo players need to take their time and progress in the game, learn their class and earn their gear. OTM already has decreased frozen spawn times, Grom used to spawn once every 2-4 hours, now it spawns once every 2 hours.
Instead of complaining try not rushing. Enjoy being a noob. There is a reason why there is event gear and lux for lower levels, its because players are supposed to be those levels.

First off just because I have a different opinion as you, does not in fact make me a noob as you so say. Nor does it mean i am complaining, I am bring up a valid point which I believe is an issue in the game.

Grom does not spawn every two hours, his timer (along with Pyrus) is every 2 hours and 55 minutes. The counterpoint longest boss spawn for DL armor is Snorri at 1 hour 50 minutes. In fact only one Frozen boss (Eye at 1 hour 44 minutes) has a shorter timer than the longest DL boss. This is the issue I was pointing out and is what I was referring to as the bottleneck. If you look at the timers of each armor quest chain, there is a steady progression, then a spike with frozen, and then back to the steady progression. I see more competition on every single frozen boss than I do for any of the lower DL (K/P/Spidey) bosses, I believe because of this bottleneck. I am not advocating rushing, but at the same time OTM has now made it easier to level by editing the XP curve. It is not unreasonable to expect there to be more people needing frozen items (and actually all armor items), which will make this bottleneck grow. I think OTM needs to revisit the current boss timers, specifically this imbalance at frozen and also take a big picture look at it given the new XP curve.

Ok so I was off by a bit with grom and pyrus timere, sue me. I camped frozen with 4 hour max respawn and 2 hour windows, did this for over 9 toons.

Also if you can quote where I call you a noob would really appreciate it, cuz it ain't there.

Also, if you do math, which it seems your trying to do, it takes 4 horns and 4 urns for dl bp. It takes 2 crests and a few orbs, and I think we can all admit we got most of our orbs from 4*s.
So the longer windows when you need less drops, if anything the times seem relatively even.

Also don't assume ur server is normal for comp at bosses. On my server every boss has massive comp (other than edl and eg above hrung).

Also I'm leveling a new alt atm for dl locking which means I will have to deal with these "bottle necks" so I'm not just some old player wanting to screw with new players. It is a legitimate problem with ppl rushing to 220+. It takes more than 3 months to learn the game and thus it should take longer to be considered "end game"

People shouldn't rush.

I don't see why game needs to be rushed.

You keep saying 'people shouldnt rush' then you go around saying stuff like this:

I'm just that one odd person lol. If i have the gear and I have the lixs I'll lix. leveled my warrior from 170-215 in 2 weeks.

So its ok for yourself to 'rush' but you want everyone else to slow down? Ok then... lmfaooooooo

I think he's getting at the point of how people complain about bottleneck, but they continue to rush their main and alts and make the bottleneck worse. I don't see him complaining about bottleneck.

^^^^ ya that.
I didn't expierence bottle necks because I took a lixing break at each armor point (135 frozen, 180 dl etc), I took my time, learned my classes, learned the game mechanics.
Idm helping noobs and new players but I feel like a level 220 should know who coppinger is, or what target lock is.

Also why do you think my warrior was stopped at 170. I had the lixs, I had the gear, I was waiting for dl and doing my time as a dl locker. Even with my rushed alt I took my time to farm my armor.

You keep saying 'people shouldnt rush' then you go around saying stuff like this:



So its ok for yourself to 'rush' but you want everyone else to slow down? Ok then... lmfaooooooo

I think he's getting at the point of how people complain about bottleneck, but they continue to rush their main and alts and make the bottleneck worse. I don't see him complaining about bottleneck.

^^^^ ya that.
I didn't expierence bottle necks because I took a lixing break at each armor point (135 frozen, 180 dl etc), I took my time, learned my classes, learned the game mechanics.
Idm helping noobs and new players but I feel like a level 220 should know who coppinger is, or what target lock is.

Also why do you think my warrior was stopped at 170. I had the lixs, I had the gear, I was waiting for dl and doing my time as a dl locker. Even with my rushed alt I took my time to farm my armor.

So you didnt once thought that most people maybe enjoy lixing too? If they wana 'rush' to 220 thats up to them, theyre gonna hit that lvl and bottleneck sooner or later anyway.. and once they hit that bottleneck, thats where the 'learning' starts for them. We dont all have to 'learn' at the same pace so telling people to 'slow down' is just a dumb way to avoid bottlenecks, no one cares if you took a break to farm or for whatever other reason so let them do what they want, let them play the game at their own pace coz im sure you wouldnt wana get told how to play the game either.

(I dont agree with the OP btw, drop rates are fine as they are as explained already by Aileron on the 1st page)

I think he's getting at the point of how people complain about bottleneck, but they continue to rush their main and alts and make the bottleneck worse. I don't see him complaining about bottleneck.

^^^^ ya that.
I didn't expierence bottle necks because I took a lixing break at each armor point (135 frozen, 180 dl etc), I took my time, learned my classes, learned the game mechanics.
Idm helping noobs and new players but I feel like a level 220 should know who coppinger is, or what target lock is.

Also why do you think my warrior was stopped at 170. I had the lixs, I had the gear, I was waiting for dl and doing my time as a dl locker. Even with my rushed alt I took my time to farm my armor.

So you didnt once thought that most people maybe enjoy lixing too? If they wana 'rush' to 220 thats up to them, theyre gonna hit that lvl and bottleneck sooner or later anyway.. and once they hit that bottleneck, thats where the 'learning' starts for them. We dont all have to 'learn' at the same pace so telling people to 'slow down' is just a dumb way to avoid bottlenecks, no one cares if you took a break to farm or for whatever other reason so let them do what they want, let them play the game at their own pace coz im sure you wouldnt wana get told how to play the game either.

(I dont agree with the OP btw, drop rates are fine as they are as explained already by Aileron on the 1st page)

What I'm saying is bottle necks are natural and fine. Will happen regardless. I have nothing wrong with ppl rushing, just when people complain about it.

^^^^ ya that.
I didn't expierence bottle necks because I took a lixing break at each armor point (135 frozen, 180 dl etc), I took my time, learned my classes, learned the game mechanics.
Idm helping noobs and new players but I feel like a level 220 should know who coppinger is, or what target lock is.

Also why do you think my warrior was stopped at 170. I had the lixs, I had the gear, I was waiting for dl and doing my time as a dl locker. Even with my rushed alt I took my time to farm my armor.

So you didnt once thought that most people maybe enjoy lixing too? If they wana 'rush' to 220 thats up to them, theyre gonna hit that lvl and bottleneck sooner or later anyway.. and once they hit that bottleneck, thats where the 'learning' starts for them. We dont all have to 'learn' at the same pace so telling people to 'slow down' is just a dumb way to avoid bottlenecks, no one cares if you took a break to farm or for whatever other reason so let them do what they want, let them play the game at their own pace coz im sure you wouldnt wana get told how to play the game either.

(I dont agree with the OP btw, drop rates are fine as they are as explained already by Aileron on the 1st page)

What I'm saying is bottle necks are natural and fine. Will happen regardless. I have nothing wrong with ppl rushing, just when people complain about it.

And im just saying that telling people to 'slow down' wont solve anything but ye, lets leave it at that.

I do agree with the complaining part though, i have 2 rogue alts lvl 226 and 200 but never once complained about drop rates... actually maybe ye i did (privately to my friends in game, not in public forum) but thats a different story and irrelevant

So you didnt once thought that most people maybe enjoy lixing too? If they wana 'rush' to 220 thats up to them, theyre gonna hit that lvl and bottleneck sooner or later anyway.. and once they hit that bottleneck, thats where the 'learning' starts for them. We dont all have to 'learn' at the same pace so telling people to 'slow down' is just a dumb way to avoid bottlenecks, no one cares if you took a break to farm or for whatever other reason so let them do what they want, let them play the game at their own pace coz im sure you wouldnt wana get told how to play the game either.

(I dont agree with the OP btw, drop rates are fine as they are as explained already by Aileron on the 1st page)

What I'm saying is bottle necks are natural and fine. Will happen regardless. I have nothing wrong with ppl rushing, just when people complain about it.

And im just saying that telling people to 'slow down' wont solve anything but ye, lets leave it at that.

I do agree with the complaining part though, i have 2 rogue alts lvl 226 and 200 but never once complained about drop rates... actually maybe ye i did (privately to my friends in game, not in public forum) but thats a different story and irrelevant

ya lol. we all wish what we needed would drop that second