Celtic Heroes

Bringing back those chest will give new players even included myself to get a chance to get some not just new players but old as well , not just that , it sure would make the game some money , for the better ,

Explain to me why, as new player, you should have access to very old rare items people have been saving up for years.

When the items originally came out, some players would have been able to afford to buy a full set immediately and could have camped the castle to buy as soon as someone offered them for sale. Most would be like yourself and needed to grind and farm and maybe buy plat occasionally for a long time in order to compete a rare set.
Now would be exactly the same. Some players could afford to buy items as soon they go for sale. But many more would need to do the same as you, ie grinding, farming and buying occasional plat when they have spare rl cash.
The drop rate in the new chests would be the same as in the original chests, so the ultra rare items would still be very rare, with only a few able to buy a full set now. The majority of players able to buy compete sets are most likely to be old end game players anyway. Unless a new player is prepared to spend vast amounts of rl cash to buy plat, they won't be able to afford to buy a complete set now.
OTM need cash flow, they need players buying plat in order to stay in business. Old players have everything they need and earn enough in game to buy their consumables. They have bought their plat in the past but no longer need to buy more. So OTM need to keep the newer players buying plat with chest sales. OTM are a small team, their resources are busy designing new content and don't have spare resources to be continually creating new fashion as well. Now let's be honest here. Fashion adds zero to the actual playing of an MMORPG. It gives no benefit to the toon, it is purely aesthetic. Therefore in terms of priority, new game content will always be higher than new fashion.
OTM need to keep the cash coming in and the revival chests are a good way to do that. Many people are calling it lazy, but the reality is that the resources they have are all busy, and have been for a long time, working on the new content due soon. I'm sure if they had the spare capacity they would have released more fashion by now.
So here's the thing.
All those hoarders complaining, you will have just as much chance to obtain the rare fashion items as the new players. So why don't you all band together and between you buy up all the rare items from auction. Keep it all out of the hands of the new players. If you need to buy plat in order to do so, then even more to the good. If you really want to ensure what you have stays ultra rare, you could even drop all the items you buy, thus removing them completely from circulation.
With all the extra cash flow from you guys keeping your rare items rare, maybe OTM could even afford to hire a new member of staff, whose sole job is to design new fashion to be released every few months.

Once again we go into a philosophy of punishing those who have been playing for a long time and hoarded their fash the hard way by making t easier to get and cheaper.
First off, the drop rates in the revival chests were far from low, in 11 hours we had the drops for a full new white lanrik set, three new black spec charms (only 2 existed prior) and a load of other lanrik/hunter/necro/spec items. The revival chests were just insane and if they had stayed any longer almost all fash would have become worthless.
As I have explained before on quite a few servers wealth is measured in fash and not gear, since gear is not available for purchase. Therefore the chests would mean the old dedicated players no longer can boast the rarest fash in the game when they deserved to, and anyone who spends a couple hundred bucks can become the richest of all. This is just not a balanced system and would change the game in a bad way for sure.
The addition of revival chests, believe it or not, is a very bad idea to boost plat sales. Simply because there will be very high purchase for the duration of the chest presence, which would be 3-4 days max, and then there would be no plat purchase for the following months, as players have spent everything and are saving up for following similar events. Therefore the overall income of OTM would fall rather than increase in the long run, which most people don't seem to look at.
Why can we not leave it to the way it was, no one ever complained, everyone knew what rarity of fash represented, and if you couldn't afford the fash that was the end of it.
Your solution for hoarders to buy all the fash in AH falls short yet again because old players are forced by OTM to spend more money to keep their fashion exclusive, which just doesn't make sense, they are the ones that worked hard to hoard it in the first place, why should they spend more. You would be forcing old players to either quit or complain on forums constantly.
OTM will not profit from revival chests in the long run, so from an economic standpoint there is no need for them to bring them back. However, a solution I have placed on the forums before, consists in adding legacy fashion in the common token chests in very low drop rates, as in 3-4 pieces per 100 chests. This would be available in the long run, and would ancourage new players to spend more to have access to the old fashion while keeping the fashion rather rare. It benefits everyone.
What you guys are asking for is for the rich to share their hard squired wealth with the less fortunate, which, when looked at it this way, kinda looks like communism.

I'm not gonna quote the post above me cause there is a lot of text, but exactly. I said this in a earlier post, revival chests are a slap in the face to the players who have spent their time, or own money, farming for these fashion pieces and those who have been around supporting the game year after year.

Once again the arguement that items are high priced comes up, why does the fact that something is priced high mean that more of it should be pumped into the game, thus screwing over the others who have spent ridiculous money in these items and those who were told they weren't coming back.

I agree that OTM needs funding, but that is their fault. They aren't able to get out new content that the community enjoys and they lose money, now your soulution is for them to use washed up content because people didn't play when this content was out. There used to be things called events, sorry for you newer players that never experience this, that were limited time with limited chests containing limited items. These "limited" things were said to not come back as they were past event items. Now because people cry about high prices they should just automatically get the opportunity to get these items?

Now for the statement about people buying all the fashion and even wasting their own cash to buy up all the fashion just to drop it and make it rare. What? That is the dumbest arguement that I have ever heard. What person spends hundreds of dollars to get a item they want and then proceed to drop it so the item is "more rare". This arguement isn't just solely about items being rare, it's also about items that were a limited time thing.

To add on about what Dark Times wrote about drop rates from revival chests, when event chests came out it wasn't like items were super rare. They were rare but there were usually more than a few sets, this wasn't always the case. From what I can tell you from my world, a lot of old fashion is rare because old players stop playing, the ones who have the old fashion. This makes the items less common in the world and makes the old fashion gain the term of rare. So it's not a fact of not having the same chance of getting items as the rest of the people or even getting more of the same fashion, it's about keeping the value of their items, which may I remind you for about the 10th time, which were never supposed to come back.

I'm suprised these yahoo's are still goin

OK. Currently chest sales have been ticking over slowly. There is nothing to excite the sales. This is the normal state currently. Revival chests will do exactly as you say. It will cause a large upswing in sales and therefore plat sales. This would then, over a few weeks, gradually curve back to the normal, base line, tick over rate. How is this a bad thing? How can this hurt plat sales in the long term? There is the steady trickle, it jumps up, then reverts back to the same steady trickle. You make it sound like after sales would stop altogether. Why would the revival chest sales cause people to stop buying them afterwards? Why wouldn't it revert back to its previous baseline sales rate? That argument just doesn't stand up.
Same as is in rl. Wealth is measured in hard currency. Saying wealth is measured in fashion is like saying that, in rl, wealth is measured in fine art. In game fashion is designed to be a collectable thing, same as fine art. Where those with the most wealth, ie. hard cash, can afford to buy the rarest items. This is done with the understanding that the price of their rare, valuable item could go down as well as up. Those that can afford such things don't worry about its value, because it's price at sale was something they could comfortably afford. So there are people who aspire to those above them, who decide to spend money they can not afford, who make sacrifices to buy what the rich also buy, to make themselves appear more powerful than they really are. Such is the way of the foolish person, who believe their purchase is an investment and will make them rich, should they decide to sell. Those who can truly afford such things never see them as an investment.
The majority of end game players who bought rare fashion did so because they had the spare gold and had nothing better to spend it on. I've seen many of these players state that they like the idea of the revival chests, despite the amount of gold spent on their fashion. They understand that it is good for all concerned. They understand that this is an MMORPG and that their main goal is to camp and kill end game bosses with their clan and to make their clan more powerful. They understand that fashion is just a frippery. It is a bit of a side show irrelevance to spend spare gold on.
The only players now who are complaining are the players who decided that, for them, collecting rare fashion was more of an end game than the actual real end game. Who at the time were not rich enough in game to afford rare fashion, but envied those who could and decided to sacrifice rl time and/or cash in order to get that fashion, probably at a cost that meant giving up other rl luxuries. I'm sure many people will agree that this was a somewhat foolish thing to do, though will also sympathise with those who did it.
So now we have a small number of longer term players who previously decided that, for them at the time, buying rare fashion was the most important thing in the game. Who therefore made rl sacrifices in order to gain the rarest items. Who decided to build an empire based on rare fashion and now see that empire under threat from the revival chests. Who confused rare fashion with wealth and failed to realise that rare fashion is a show of wealth, that it shows you are wealthy enough to afford it and still have an abundance of gold. Releasing revival chests does not affect long term wealthy players, as the gold spent was disposable to them. Only these players that put all their gold into the fashion and have not yet progressed in game enough to replace that expenditure are truly affected.
In reality OTM does not owe players anything. They provide a game, free of charge, without advertisement and allow players the ability to play to end game without spending a penny/dime/cent. Yes it is difficult to get to end game without spending money, but with the help of a good clan, is very much doable. For those who spend cash, the transaction is that, for your money, OTM give you plat to spend in game. Once you have got your plat OTMs obligation to a player is over, irrespective of length of time played.
OTM is a business, they need to make money. Therefore the bottom line is that, to them, the most important players are those who spend cash. Old players who no longer buy plat, commercially, are of not much use to them. The only real use of long term players is to provide good PR, to encourage new players who will spend cash. Ultimately if your not spending cash, you are of little commercial value. It is only because of the sentimental ties to the early players, who helped keep things going in the early days, that the chests were pulled again so quickly. However, sentiment in business will soon lead to bankruptcy. OTM have a balancing act. Yes, it's good PR to look after long term players, but not if that then means new players then suffer. It is a balance, the need to retain players, so new players know they have a future with the game that looks after them. But also new players need to know that they are not going to be compromised by old players having preferential treatment.
Ultimately this original furore was started by a small minority, giving very selfish reasons for why revival chests should be pulled. That is, I've invested a lot into fashion. I confused an MMORPG game with a Pokemon style, collect rare things game and now I'm going to suffer because I put all my available gold into a trivial, useless, sideshow aspect of the game. Forget what the vast majority wants. Forget looking after OTM as a business. Just drop the chests, because I was foolish and now will suffer.

OK. Currently chest sales have been ticking over slowly. There is nothing to excite the sales. This is the normal state currently. Revival chests will do exactly as you say. It will cause a large upswing in sales and therefore plat sales. This would then, over a few weeks, gradually curve back to the normal, base line, tick over rate. How is this a bad thing? How can this hurt plat sales in the long term? There is the steady trickle, it jumps up, then reverts back to the same steady trickle. You make it sound like after sales would stop altogether. Why would the revival chest sales cause people to stop buying them afterwards? Why wouldn't it revert back to its previous baseline sales rate? That argument just doesn't stand up.
Same as is in rl. Wealth is measured in hard currency. Saying wealth is measured in fashion is like saying that, in rl, wealth is measured in fine art. In game fashion is designed to be a collectable thing, same as fine art. Where those with the most wealth, ie. hard cash, can afford to buy the rarest items. This is done with the understanding that the price of their rare, valuable item could go down as well as up. Those that can afford such things don't worry about its value, because it's price at sale was something they could comfortably afford. So there are people who aspire to those above them, who decide to spend money they can not afford, who make sacrifices to buy what the rich also buy, to make themselves appear more powerful than they really are. Such is the way of the foolish person, who believe their purchase is an investment and will make them rich, should they decide to sell. Those who can truly afford such things never see them as an investment.
The majority of end game players who bought rare fashion did so because they had the spare gold and had nothing better to spend it on. I've seen many of these players state that they like the idea of the revival chests, despite the amount of gold spent on their fashion. They understand that it is good for all concerned. They understand that this is an MMORPG and that their main goal is to camp and kill end game bosses with their clan and to make their clan more powerful. They understand that fashion is just a frippery. It is a bit of a side show irrelevance to spend spare gold on.
The only players now who are complaining are the players who decided that, for them, collecting rare fashion was more of an end game than the actual real end game. Who at the time were not rich enough in game to afford rare fashion, but envied those who could and decided to sacrifice rl time and/or cash in order to get that fashion, probably at a cost that meant giving up other rl luxuries. I'm sure many people will agree that this was a somewhat foolish thing to do, though will also sympathise with those who did it.
So now we have a small number of longer term players who previously decided that, for them at the time, buying rare fashion was the most important thing in the game. Who therefore made rl sacrifices in order to gain the rarest items. Who decided to build an empire based on rare fashion and now see that empire under threat from the revival chests. Who confused rare fashion with wealth and failed to realise that rare fashion is a show of wealth, that it shows you are wealthy enough to afford it and still have an abundance of gold. Releasing revival chests does not affect long term wealthy players, as the gold spent was disposable to them. Only these players that put all their gold into the fashion and have not yet progressed in game enough to replace that expenditure are truly affected.
In reality OTM does not owe players anything. They provide a game, free of charge, without advertisement and allow players the ability to play to end game without spending a penny/dime/cent. Yes it is difficult to get to end game without spending money, but with the help of a good clan, is very much doable. For those who spend cash, the transaction is that, for your money, OTM give you plat to spend in game. Once you have got your plat OTMs obligation to a player is over, irrespective of length of time played.
OTM is a business, they need to make money. Therefore the bottom line is that, to them, the most important players are those who spend cash. Old players who no longer buy plat, commercially, are of not much use to them. The only real use of long term players is to provide good PR, to encourage new players who will spend cash. Ultimately if your not spending cash, you are of little commercial value. It is only because of the sentimental ties to the early players, who helped keep things going in the early days, that the chests were pulled again so quickly. However, sentiment in business will soon lead to bankruptcy. OTM have a balancing act. Yes, it's good PR to look after long term players, but not if that then means new players then suffer. It is a balance, the need to retain players, so new players know they have a future with the game that looks after them. But also new players need to know that they are not going to be compromised by old players having preferential treatment.
Ultimately this original furore was started by a small minority, giving very selfish reasons for why revival chests should be pulled. That is, I've invested a lot into fashion. I confused an MMORPG game with a Pokemon style, collect rare things game and now I'm going to suffer because I put all my available gold into a trivial, useless, sideshow aspect of the game. Forget what the vast majority wants. Forget looking after OTM as a business. Just drop the chests, because I was foolish and now will suffer.

Ah. I get it. It's the "my opinion is important and legit but your opinion is selfish" argument. And, of course, the "I'm going to insult the people with thr opposite of opinion of mine so mine looks better." And let's not forget the "look how our opinion is a humanitarian cause for the good of all."

Some people like thr Republic. Some liked the Rebellion. Neither is better than the other. Preference is based on principles.

I don't buy into either side. But I do believe a company standing behind their statements. If you're going to say something isn't ever going to be obtainable again directly through purchase, then don't offer it again. If you want to offer it at a later date, then don't make a statement of exclusive guarantee. If I make a promise to you, I will keep it as you expect me to.

Ah. I get it. It's the "my opinion is important and legit but your opinion is selfish" argument. And, of course, the "I'm going to insult the people with thr opposite of opinion of mine so mine looks better." And let's not forget the "look how our opinion is a humanitarian cause for the good of all."

Some people like thr Republic. Some liked the Rebellion. Neither is better than the other. Preference is based on principles.

I don't buy into either side. But I do believe a company standing behind their statements. If you're going to say something isn't ever going to be obtainable again directly through purchase, then don't offer it again. If you want to offer it at a later date, then don't make a statement of exclusive guarantee. If I make a promise to you, I will keep it as you expect me to.

I don't have an opposite opinion to anyone in this. I care not one jot about fashion. I don't wear it and don't intend to anytime soon. I see it is an irrelevant waste of gold currently. Maybe when I get to end level and have gold to burn then I might buy fashion, because I'll have nothing else to spend it on. From an outsider, so to speak, looking in I believe that those who spent money they couldn't afford, whether that's in game or rl, just to buy the rarest fashion was a foolish endeavor. The idea of non functional fashion in MMORPG is intended to be collected with disposable income as an aside to the main game, whether that's in game money or rl money. You buy it if, afterwards, you would not miss the money spent. This is the same as collecting any rare, valuable things in rl. I'm sure the vast majority of people would agree that buying rare valuable things you cannot really afford, whose future value is not guaranteed, is a foolish endeavor. That's not insulting people, that's just statement of fact. Unfortunately the way of the world has gone the way of allowing people to do foolish things, then letting them pass the blame on to someone else for giving them the opportunity to do said foolish thing. A quick example is buying coffee and drinking it while still too hot. most people would agree this is a foolish thing. Now though that person is able to insulate themselves from their own foolish behavior by suing, successfully, the company that sold them the hot coffee. Thereby we have produced a generation who, if they do foolish things will fail to take responsibility for that behavior, because they have been led to believe it is OK to pass the blame.
All I see on the side of the argument of wanted to remove revival chests is a lot of people who have foolishly spent what they struggled to afford, where the chests will now expose their folly, now trying to absolve themselves of their foolishness by getting the chests pulled. Their only argument for pulling the chests boils down to them wanting to protect the money they invested. Every post against the chests I have read ultimately came down to that, no matter how flowery they have argued the case, in order to hide the true reason. Again I'm sure the majority of would agree that would constitute a selfish attitude. So again by saying as such is not insulting it is a statement of fact.

Ah. I get it. It's the "my opinion is important and legit but your opinion is selfish" argument. And, of course, the "I'm going to insult the people with thr opposite of opinion of mine so mine looks better." And let's not forget the "look how our opinion is a humanitarian cause for the good of all."

Some people like thr Republic. Some liked the Rebellion. Neither is better than the other. Preference is based on principles.

I don't buy into either side. But I do believe a company standing behind their statements. If you're going to say something isn't ever going to be obtainable again directly through purchase, then don't offer it again. If you want to offer it at a later date, then don't make a statement of exclusive guarantee. If I make a promise to you, I will keep it as you expect me to.

I don't have an opposite opinion to anyone in this. I care not one jot about fashion. I don't wear it and don't intend to anytime soon. I see it is an irrelevant waste of gold currently. Maybe when I get to end level and have gold to burn then I might buy fashion, because I'll have nothing else to spend it on. From an outsider, so to speak, looking in I believe that those who spent money they couldn't afford, whether that's in game or rl, just to buy the rarest fashion was a foolish endeavor. The idea of non functional fashion in MMORPG is intended to be collected with disposable income as an aside to the main game, whether that's in game money or rl money. You buy it if, afterwards, you would not miss the money spent. This is the same as collecting any rare, valuable things in rl. I'm sure the vast majority of people would agree that buying rare valuable things you cannot really afford, whose future value is not guaranteed, is a foolish endeavor. That's not insulting people, that's just statement of fact. Unfortunately the way of the world has gone the way of allowing people to do foolish things, then letting them pass the blame on to someone else for giving them the opportunity to do said foolish thing. A quick example is buying coffee and drinking it while still too hot. most people would agree this is a foolish thing. Now though that person is able to insulate themselves from their own foolish behavior by suing, successfully, the company that sold them the hot coffee. Thereby we have produced a generation who, if they do foolish things will fail to take responsibility for that behavior, because they have been led to believe it is OK to pass the blame.
All I see on the side of the argument of wanted to remove revival chests is a lot of people who have foolishly spent what they struggled to afford, where the chests will now expose their folly, now trying to absolve themselves of their foolishness by getting the chests pulled. Their only argument for pulling the chests boils down to them wanting to protect the money they invested. Every post against the chests I have read ultimately came down to that, no matter how flowery they have argued the case, in order to hide the true reason. Again I'm sure the majority of would agree that would constitute a selfish attitude. So again by saying as such is not insulting it is a statement of fact.

No one but the person who bought the fashion knows the status of their financial purchases. We have no idea if they had disposable income or if they went and donated plasma to make money to buy plat to purchase the chests. Maybe they had to pawn their Les Paul. Maybe they robbed a convenience store. Or they might be a surgeon that has a ton of excess cash. Unless you know someone's financial situation, you just have no idea if they were able to afford the in game items or not. And I wouldn't assume to know how foolish or not their purchases are.

What I do know is this, thr players that purchased the chests during the event or purchased the fashion directly from other players did so with the understanding and statement of guarantee from OTM that they would never again be able to purchase those items through chests again. If a person or company makes a statement, we should expect that person or company to follow through with that. Whether I'm dropping cash on a limited edition painting or comic book or an in game item, it's done with the understanding of limited time never to return. If those chests had never said they would only be available during that specific event, we wouldn't be having this discussion now.

What?Why did this turn into a discussion about people's rl money? I liked your first argument mostly, but now it makes no sense, Robbo.

This was never a discussion about people having the money to spend on fashion or people sacrificing, lol, their life to achieve fashion. This discussion is about OTM, as a business, staying true to their word. Sure you can say OTM doesn't owe their players anything, but that's just foolish. This is a free game, without the players OTM would be no where with this game, it would have died 6 years ago because no players would be supporting their free game.

To me it seems your just saying random stuff about sacrifice and foolishness and peoples real life. It also seems that your saying the people who earn their own and use it to buy what they want should be punished for matching those prices, because the people who can't seem to earn there own complain about prices. You say you don't care for fashion. Then why are you here, cause I really highly doubt you actually care about OTM making money. OTM could easily make money, all they gotta do is make another event that people actually enjoy and put new chests with new items in it. Not bringing back exclusive limited items from the past to screw over others who earned these items or are long time players.

As much as I want old fash, it's hard to argue with OTM sticking to previous statements of exclusivity, if they did indeed make those statements (idk, maybe they were only implied? Too lazy to search.

That said. Maybe give Nuada rev chests and Android servers iOS-only fash, and iOS servers a poke in the eye!

Edit: I searched! Cam anyone show evidence through screened or links of fash being discontinued? I'm sure it's there but I cannot find it.

As much as I want old fash, it's hard to argue with OTM sticking to previous statements of exclusivity, if they did indeed make those statements (idk, maybe they were only implied? Too lazy to search.

That said. Maybe give Nuada rev chests and Android servers iOS-only fash, and iOS servers a poke in the eye!

Edit: I searched! Cam anyone show evidence through screened or links of fash being discontinued? I'm sure it's there but I cannot find it.

It was not stated on the fashion. The event chests were limited, meaning the items witching were supposed to be event exclusive, it was seasonal chests and items.