Celtic Heroes

OK. I digressed somewhat and turned this into a social commentary, to try and explain the reasoning why certain arguments have been given as to why the chests should be removed. To my mind it was somewhat legitimate, but I seem to have lost a few people.
So to try and bring back my argument into a more meaningful comment.
Reading the many numerous posts that the revival chests provoked, to me it became clear that there were 2 types of player who collected rare fashion. The first type are the people who, I personally believe, such things were aimed at. These are end game players who had enough spare gold to be able to buy rare fashion items without them ever noticing how much it cost to buy the rare fashion items. I have seen many comments by these players who admit that they have spent an awful lot of gold on their fashion items, yet are still happy for revival chests, because a) the money spent was readily available at no personal hardship and b) they realise that giving new players the chance to get such rare fashion items is beneficial to both the player base and OTM as a business.
The second type of player are the people we see who vehemently oppose the revival chests. From reading their comments it is not hard to deduce that these are players who, for whatever reason, decided that having the rarest fashion became more important than progressing their toon, who then spent vast amounts of time and / or rl money to obtain these rare fashion items, who made personal sacrifices to ensure they got the most rare fashion items. This is not an assumption, but is abundantly clear from the comments these players made in their arguments to stop the revival chests.
My main argument has been that CH is an MMORPG and so, as such, it's main aim is to progress your character by equipping it with increasingly more powerful weapons, armor and accessories in order to progress the level of your character. The aim is not to collect the most rare items in the game and try and get more rare items than all other players. If you believe this, than you are confusing an MMORPG with Pokemon Go. Now that OTM want to release revival chests, they should not be at the mercy of the small minority who chose to concentrate their efforts solely on collecting the rare fashion. Who were foolish enough to forget that they are actually playing an MMORPG and not Pokemon Go.
In answer to the remaining argument of OTM promised that the fashion was a one time only never to be repeated exclusive.
First, as was just previously said, can you prove that OTM guaranteed at the time that these fashion items were one time only for the event and would never ever be offered again, or was that your own misinterpretation of the the event. I haven't been playing long enough to know what OTM said at the time, but the previous poster suggests no-one can confirm this is exactly how OTM sold it.
Second OTM are a business and so are driven solely by the need to make money in order to survive. They are also a very small business and so need to ensure that all their resources are employed to the maxim effect. Obviously this has meant that all efforts have gone towards the new content to be released soon. Evidently, they have not had spare resource to create a new vast array of fashion content. In order to pay the wages, they need players to buy plat. And to encourage players to buy plat, the current incentive is to buy chests with the plat. Again, evidence would suggest that something was required to excite sales. There is obviously not enough resource at the moment to create new content to add to chests, so the decision was made to relaunch the historic content. Irrespective of what had been announced when the old content was originally released, clearly business pressures have dictated that something needs to be done to encourage sales and if that means releasing items previously marketed as one time only, then from a business sense that was obviously necessary to enable the survival and growth of the company. In this respect OTM are in very good company of companies who have gone back on their word in order to survive and grow.
Ultimately OTM need money to survive. They currently haven't got the resources to create new fashion to encourage chest sales. They need something currently to encourage chest sales. At this moment in time all they can offer is legacy content. They can choose to listen to the misguided few who spent money they couldn't afford buying the rare fashion and drop the revival chests, thereby increasing the risk of future survival, or they can risk the wrath of the few and the possible loss of some long term players by releasing the chests and, thereby increasing the chances of long term survival

Robbo, there isn't evidence or anything obvious to make a commentary on a players financial status or what they sacrificed to acquire the fashion. All we know is some players spent a lot of gold and don't want their items they spent a lot of gold orrrrr spent a lot of money through plat to purchase the chests. Any assumptions are just that based on reading into what people are typing.

You can look at any of the seasonal chests (including the current chests) and it states on the chests that those specific chests and the contents in them are exclusive to Samhain 2015 or yule 2014 or whatever event and year it's from. That means that the frost guard or hunter or Shanghai or etc is specific to that specific event only.

My opinion has never been the chests shouldn't come back because it devalues anything. I rarely buy sets. I buy thr specific pieces I like. I have paid well over on pieces compared to what I'll make back if I sold them. My stance is if a person or a company makes a statement that they stand behind the statement.

There are plenty of people that want the chests back that have rare fashion. There are plenty of people that have rare fashion that don't want them back. This isn't because they made some sacrifices with their finances like you assume. It's because they like the rarity and fashion that isn't common. I don't fault anyone for their opinion even if I don't agree with them. The vast majority of players are not on the forums... It's a minority.

As much as I want old fash, it's hard to argue with OTM sticking to previous statements of exclusivity, if they did indeed make those statements (idk, maybe they were only implied? Too lazy to search.

That said. Maybe give Nuada rev chests and Android servers iOS-only fash, and iOS servers a poke in the eye!

Edit: I searched! Cam anyone show evidence through screened or links of fash being discontinued? I'm sure it's there but I cannot find it.

There is absolutely no problem with nuada getting back the revival chests, it will for sure boost their economies because they currently have nothing of value, and implementing rides and fashion would be a good boost.

OK. I digressed somewhat and turned this into a social commentary, to try and explain the reasoning why certain arguments have been given as to why the chests should be removed. To my mind it was somewhat legitimate, but I seem to have lost a few people.
So to try and bring back my argument into a more meaningful comment.
Reading the many numerous posts that the revival chests provoked, to me it became clear that there were 2 types of player who collected rare fashion. The first type are the people who, I personally believe, such things were aimed at. These are end game players who had enough spare gold to be able to buy rare fashion items without them ever noticing how much it cost to buy the rare fashion items. I have seen many comments by these players who admit that they have spent an awful lot of gold on their fashion items, yet are still happy for revival chests, because a) the money spent was readily available at no personal hardship and b) they realise that giving new players the chance to get such rare fashion items is beneficial to both the player base and OTM as a business.
The second type of player are the people we see who vehemently oppose the revival chests. From reading their comments it is not hard to deduce that these are players who, for whatever reason, decided that having the rarest fashion became more important than progressing their toon, who then spent vast amounts of time and / or rl money to obtain these rare fashion items, who made personal sacrifices to ensure they got the most rare fashion items. This is not an assumption, but is abundantly clear from the comments these players made in their arguments to stop the revival chests.
My main argument has been that CH is an MMORPG and so, as such, it's main aim is to progress your character by equipping it with increasingly more powerful weapons, armor and accessories in order to progress the level of your character. The aim is not to collect the most rare items in the game and try and get more rare items than all other players. If you believe this, than you are confusing an MMORPG with Pokemon Go. Now that OTM want to release revival chests, they should not be at the mercy of the small minority who chose to concentrate their efforts solely on collecting the rare fashion. Who were foolish enough to forget that they are actually playing an MMORPG and not Pokemon Go.
In answer to the remaining argument of OTM promised that the fashion was a one time only never to be repeated exclusive.
First, as was just previously said, can you prove that OTM guaranteed at the time that these fashion items were one time only for the event and would never ever be offered again, or was that your own misinterpretation of the the event. I haven't been playing long enough to know what OTM said at the time, but the previous poster suggests no-one can confirm this is exactly how OTM sold it.
Second OTM are a business and so are driven solely by the need to make money in order to survive. They are also a very small business and so need to ensure that all their resources are employed to the maxim effect. Obviously this has meant that all efforts have gone towards the new content to be released soon. Evidently, they have not had spare resource to create a new vast array of fashion content. In order to pay the wages, they need players to buy plat. And to encourage players to buy plat, the current incentive is to buy chests with the plat. Again, evidence would suggest that something was required to excite sales. There is obviously not enough resource at the moment to create new content to add to chests, so the decision was made to relaunch the historic content. Irrespective of what had been announced when the old content was originally released, clearly business pressures have dictated that something needs to be done to encourage sales and if that means releasing items previously marketed as one time only, then from a business sense that was obviously necessary to enable the survival and growth of the company. In this respect OTM are in very good company of companies who have gone back on their word in order to survive and grow.
Ultimately OTM need money to survive. They currently haven't got the resources to create new fashion to encourage chest sales. They need something currently to encourage chest sales. At this moment in time all they can offer is legacy content. They can choose to listen to the misguided few who spent money they couldn't afford buying the rare fashion and drop the revival chests, thereby increasing the risk of future survival, or they can risk the wrath of the few and the possible loss of some long term players by releasing the chests and, thereby increasing the chances of long term survival

The small difference between hoarders and new players, which people like you don't seem to see, is that those players didn't actually input all that money to get the fashion back in te day, because it was common. Terefore expecting them to pay the high price because new players want their fash and want to screw them over (which is the intention of more than one of you guys), is just ridiculous.

It's not like there is not good looking fashion on every server, no matter what is available you can make stuff look good, however you guys want access to the things you can't get, the highest level of selfishness.

You're not doing this so that OTM gets more money and provides more devellopped content, you're doing this for yourself. If you did do it for OTM you would buy plat no matter what was in shop. Stop lying to yourself and us.

The plat sales following revival chests would not "drop back to normal", simply because those who intended to buy plat in the near future would have during the chests, and those after would wait until a new similar occasion to spend their money, they wouldn't just buy the regular chests.

Getting really tired on threads on this topic. Can people just agree to disagree and wait to see what compromise otm presents instead of bickering over the chests as they were?

As much as I want old fash, it's hard to argue with OTM sticking to previous statements of exclusivity, if they did indeed make those statements (idk, maybe they were only implied? Too lazy to search.

That said. Maybe give Nuada rev chests and Android servers iOS-only fash, and iOS servers a poke in the eye!

Edit: I searched! Cam anyone show evidence through screened or links of fash being discontinued? I'm sure it's there but I cannot find it.

It was not stated on the fashion. The event chests were limited, meaning the items witching were supposed to be event exclusive, it was seasonal chests and items.

Lol as long as it isn't permanent it technically is still limited edition... and the chests were not going to be out forever so yea I don't think Otm "lied" to anyone

As much as I want old fash, it's hard to argue with OTM sticking to previous statements of exclusivity, if they did indeed make those statements (idk, maybe they were only implied? Too lazy to search.

That said. Maybe give Nuada rev chests and Android servers iOS-only fash, and iOS servers a poke in the eye!

Edit: I searched! Cam anyone show evidence through screened or links of fash being discontinued? I'm sure it's there but I cannot find it.

It was not stated on the fashion. The event chests were limited, meaning the items witching were supposed to be event exclusive, it was seasonal chests and items.

Lol as long as it isn't permanent it technically is still limited edition... and the chests were not going to be out forever so yea I don't think Otm "lied" to anyone

Don't think you understand that limited means available only for a short. Not multiple times for a short time. So yes that was a lie, the items were out for a limited time already.

No.... as long as it isn't permanent it's technically still limited.

The chests released back then were advertised as limited which they were. Otm does a throwback sale which most companies do for a limited time... so it is still limited edition because it's being rereleased as a limited time product just like it was in the past... nothing has changed besides the fact that more of the limited time product is being given to the public... for a limited amount of time.

Tried to make it as clear as possible for you

Here's the thing though, the chests were limited because they were event chests. They came with seasonal events and the items weren't in one chest, they had a event of their own for each chest with its own separate fashion. So this isn't a throwback sale of old chests, it's literally OTM just scraping all their past event fashions into one new chest. Revival chests were never a thing until now, the items inside are from different events. If they want to do throwback sales then they shouldn't have everything in one chest, and instead give them each back their own separate chests, with a lot lower drop rates. Giving them there own separate chests would actually make them more money, as people would have to buy each seperate chest for fashion. So no this isn't a throwback sale, it's a different chest completely with the same old fashion.

Here's the thing though, the chests were limited because they were event chests. They came with seasonal events and the items weren't in one chest, they had a event of their own for each chest with its own separate fashion. So this isn't a throwback sale of old chests, it's literally OTM just scraping all their past event fashions into one new chest. Revival chests were never a thing until now, the items inside are from different events. If they want to do throwback sales then they shouldn't have everything in one chest, and instead give them each back their own separate chests, with a lot lower drop rates. Giving them there own separate chests would actually make them more money, as people would have to buy each seperate chest for fashion. So no this isn't a throwback sale, it's a different chest completely with the same old fashion.

Past products are being sold so it is a throwback sale lol