Celtic Heroes

@Loki - You are talking about two different situations.... I expect more from you. As to your second example, if three hunters are shooting at the exact nanosecond, and the difference is based on the speed of the projectile, then the game mechanics will determine the kill. Simple as that. It's the same as if I press my 200 lightning at the same moment as you shoot a 500 arrow (can't see each other due to draw distance) on a 190 hp mob... you will shoot your arrow and kill before I can cast my spell. Your kill.

Your inital example didn't talk about exact nanoseconds, but rather in sequence... shot: deer runs, second shot: deer limps, third shot: deer dead. It is still difficult to determine who gets the kill in that situation... how much of the death is due to blood loss? How much of the third hinter's effectiveness is due to the first hunter hitting the deer in the leg and rendering it incapable of running at its normal speed?

Let's give another real life situation:

I am at an unlicenced bare-kuckle boxing match in Ireland. The champ offers to take on anyone willing to step in the ring. I've had a few pints and am feeling pretty lucky, so I step in the ring. Since I've seen Snatch several times, I do quite well at holding my own, and in fact, start to see the champ wobble a bit. I'm starting to feel good about the situation.

Then, out of the blue, someone jumps the ropes and whollops the champ with a silver hammer to the head. Champ goes down.

Who gets's the win?

Even bare-knuckle boxing matches have rules, Loki. Maxwell would certainly not be given the title.

Well i dont need an introduction from you Tradegy

All make a genuine fighting arguement however, think back no more than a couple months back when we were NB and we made it a sport of Kill Stealing all Dark Angels boss raids, now you are on the loosing side it seems to be now an issue?

I'm sorry, sir... I've no idea who you are in game, but I think you must be mistaken about the sport of KSing per NB in regards to DA or any other clan... Perhaps you misread something? NB was quite adament about the rules, and those rules of FFA bosses were discussed with DA leadership. Other mobs were treated as first attack (ie, if another clan was engaged, we were not to call the clan), and in the case of quest mobs, we were encouraged to invite other clans to fill the group.

In fact, what I think quite admirable about NB leadership is that they put a freeze on new members when SS or DA were in the throws of upheaval. The whole point was not to pinch talent, but rather let them work out their problems.

Sorry... I've forgotten your point... what was it again?

Love this. The people that don't are the ones from the best clans on their worlds in which they can take all the bosses and hoard the drops. This will bring balance, and I like it. That is coming from a high-level.

+1

Dersu-

Howdy

Let's say the boss has 10,000 health.

An arrow does 500 damage per hit.
A rifle does 1500 per hit.

An F-350 (a 9,000 lbs truck) - well you get the point, even if the blood loss or wounded leg slows him down - Truck beats deer everytime.



We all do have speed limitations but think about how I was with my WK hammer. It didn't matter who I was up against. We swing around the same time - I crushed the mob but only as long as they didn't get it to half or below half health.


No one can ks a boss or mob after it is at or passed 1/2 health. The boxing match would allow you the kill since you had him on the ropes already. A guy could point blank shoot your champion with a .44 caliber revolver and you still had him down to 3/4s.





And llayaz is woven

New players just want everything easy
And about the lock players will adapt to this system and noting will change new players / weaker clans wont be satisfied
Ksing on leveling mobs is not kool , on bosses it's ok ,cuz we all need that kill and we tryed to have peace with other clan but didn't last long
Just don't be lazy and level up can't solo join group ,no players online buy and iPod can't buy iPod wait for players

I just got ksed by a high level dps warrior leaving our group midfight. Not fun. He also happens to be a chieftan, go figure.

Problem: people with Boots of Speed could easily beat you to it and KS... Thought I liked Target Lock at first until I considered this...

Dersu-

Howdy


An F-350 (a 9,000 lbs truck) - well you get the point, even if the blood loss or wounded leg slows him down - Truck beats deer everytime.

Howdy, good sir.

Lol... I didn't even realize you were talking about a truck... I thought it was a high powered assault rifle or something. I guess living for ten years in a land of compact automobiles limits one's vacabulary of V-8 engines.

Re: the boxing match, I didn't mean I had him on the ropes, just that I had landed a few good ones and had him down to 70% or so, in which case someone jumping in and landing a mallet to the temple would be met with outrage.

I quite like Swine's take on it, that the lock is triggered after a certain percentage is reached. I think 20% is a fine number to have a lock on a mob.

Woven, eh. She should know better. Shaden is on record several times stating that we don't need to be killing everything in sight, and should let others who are engaged complete the kill. Shaden also did a good job diffusing the situation between Pacq and Kade, when Pacq went off the deep end. She could easily have told all to ks the hell out of Pacq, but didn't. Naw, Woven is mistaken.

Max- If someone beats you to a mob, it is not a ks. That attitude is a bit selfish... it's like complaining that someone killed a Deffector before you could get to it simply because the "x" was on your compass. I agree that speed boots and gloves make the game tilted to those who can afford it... but I would just say save up and buy some yourself.

lol dersu

... personally I wouldn't put any money into game after this what's point buying idols when the boss is locked good luck otm on this approach but this is going to loose you money. And traj I very much doubt that more plat buyers would like this idea. As more plat buyers are higher lvls then none plat. And it's the none plat buyers (lower levels) complaining this could well ruin the game.

I think you are using your money in the wrong way, Brook. The point is that you can still buy idols and whatnot... just hit the target first. If someone else is fighting a mob, go find another and use your idols there. Your post implies that the only reason to buy idols is to ks.

You are mistaken about the plat buyers disliking this idea. I am a plat buyer, and a Druid. Let me tell you the most annoying thing when I fight solo: I drop some plat on an elixer to gain some extra exp, or speed my ability training. I start fighting a mob and get it down to 60%. Along comes a Warrior or Rogue with gloves of haste and frozen weapons, and in two fell swoops, kills the mob I am well engaged with.

As a plat buyer, the old system is very frustrating. I wasted time in killing 40% of the mob for the other guy (so the elixir is moot), and am down in wasted energy. If the lock is implemented, I will know that I am getting the worth out of my plat purchase, because I know that I will be getting the kill, hense the experience. Money well spent.