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Re: Fix the broken warrior no all warrior want to be tanks

#31
There is absolutely nothing preventing you from having a DPS build as a warrior. Warriors have the advantage of the best armors in the game and skill casting that costs next to nothing and multiple weapon types to choose from. Will you be the "best" DPS builds out there? NO, but the top Rogues in the game SHOULD out-DPS you. That is the Rogue's strength - they should attack the fastest and be able to evade more effectively. I personally think Rangers are overpowered at the moment. They have killer DPS at the top levels and have tremendous healing powers as well. Their big negative is their armor.

Warriors with a DPS build have the EASIEST time levelling IMO, once you're in the OW especially. My DPS warrior can kill 1-3 stars quickly with few pauses between battles because of how good the armors and weapons are.

Mages and Druids need more tweaks to their builds, not Warriors.

Please tell me are talking about eyes only? And how many resto pots or druids do you used ? Because after you move to bigger stuff you going have a bad time .
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Re: Fix the broken warrior no all warrior want to be tanks

#32
A iced totem or winter king totem in a druid is a wasted if you cant afford diamond or quartz get a bear totem, the strength should be better use on focus
Fromen, I was talking specifically about pre-update. Post update I have diamond on both druids. I still put a few points into strength on my main, because he's built for solo dps and the extra melee damage makes a difference during spell cooldowns and he gets in a few hits on interrupts. Even with 50 "wasted" points in str, I've still managed to reach #1 on the all world druid skill hit leaderboard, and was first druid to hit over 2k and maybe still am. I'm also the highest non-rogue on the skill hit leaderboard for my world.

[Edited to fix who I was replying to and add quote. Thought it was Aileron.]
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Re: Fix the broken warrior no all warrior want to be tanks

#33
I hear two main arguments in this thread, for whatever that is worth.

1- my dps warrior gets KSd by dps rogues/rangers. My dps warrior loses duels.

This is not a problem with the warrior class. The first is a problem with the way kills are awarded, based solely on dps. The second might just be information for you that your build is not now the best dueling spec. I don't know.

2- OTM has no right to change the game after I have invested so much time and money.

The game is changing. Good MMOs often do. Such changes require different play styles.

The idea that you could sue seems a little silly to me. I don't think you have a case. You don't own your toon. You don't own anything except your play experience and memories. What you are actually investing money in is that play experience and those memories. That's it. OTM could shut down the game completely tomorrow, or turn us all into pink bunnies and Hello Kitty animations and your only recourse if you did not like these changes would be to find a new game to play. (OTM, please do not turn us in to pink bunnies and Hello Kitty animations.)

I also don't think your argument that all warriors want to be tanks now is remotely true. At least on our server the tank spec is the exception, as far as I can tell. 30% of the top 20 melee hits across all servers are warriors. Most of the rest are rangers. 15% of the top skills hits across all servers are warriors. All the rest are rogues. This does not seem like a problem to me. If this were reversed, that would be a big problem.

OTM is exceptional in the gaming world in its attentiveness and responsiveness to its player base, in my experience. Perhaps they will listen to you, but I do not think you have actually made a case for warriors having been unfairly nerfed. You have simply made a case for not liking changes, which some people may actually feel constituted improvements to the class.

First at all what is your main class, Then i will replaied to you.
120 war, 112 Druid, 90 rogue, 85 Mage, 80 Ranger... Few other projects wandering about. Actually, my class does not matter though since I am talking about the nature or your arguments and simply making observations. My class would not change the accuracy of my observations in this case.
Last edited by Caliban on Mon Aug 20, 2012 8:54 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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Re: Fix the broken warrior no all warrior want to be tanks

#34
The developers have done an excellent job of better distinguishing class roles. A warrior should not be able to out dps a rogue of similar level. You cannot have it all. As a druid it would be absurd for me to ask to be able to do damage on par with a mage right? Warriors are super valuable. Really every class is amazing. You do get some wiggle room to chose more defensive or offensive orientations, but not to the extent that you can be on par with an offensive class. Warriors and Druids will (rightfully so) not be able to out damage a similar level Mage, Rogue, Ranger. But, those classes will never be able to tank as well as a warrior, or Heal and buff like a Druid.

If I am really reading into your message correctly, it is that you made your warrior during a time when you had the best of both worlds. Warriors could out damage rogues and also respec to be tremendous tanks. Now things have changed and rather than making a rogue if you want to be all out dps, you are upset because you have lost your offensive edge.
So we got to be force to play as tanks you got to be kidding me , if the players choice to be dps or tank or hybrid , if the game was like that since the beginnig i will be ok so back then i would choose another class But to be force to be in this situation when u have tons of hours and a few thousand dollars on the game is fked

No.... You are missing the point and/or wanting something which conflicts with class balance:
You can play as a tank and in that role with the proper gear and stats, you will be superior to any other class of comparable level in holding aggro and absorbing damage.
You can play as a solo build and in that role with the proper gear and stats, you will be sufficient at dishing out damage and taking damage. You will not be as efficient as a Ranger, Rogue, or Mage, but those classes will never be able to take tank like you can.

See, if you are wanting to be able to play as a tank and be better at holding aggro and absorbing damage than the other classes, AND be able to restat and dish out damage comparable to the DPS-oriented classes, you are wanting something unreasonable.
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Re: Fix the broken warrior no all warrior want to be tanks

#35
The developers have done an excellent job of better distinguishing class roles. A warrior should not be able to out dps a rogue of similar level. You cannot have it all. As a druid it would be absurd for me to ask to be able to do damage on par with a mage right? Warriors are super valuable. Really every class is amazing. You do get some wiggle room to chose more defensive or offensive orientations, but not to the extent that you can be on par with an offensive class. Warriors and Druids will (rightfully so) not be able to out damage a similar level Mage, Rogue, Ranger. But, those classes will never be able to tank as well as a warrior, or Heal and buff like a Druid.

If I am really reading into your message correctly, it is that you made your warrior during a time when you had the best of both worlds. Warriors could out damage rogues and also respec to be tremendous tanks. Now things have changed and rather than making a rogue if you want to be all out dps, you are upset because you have lost your offensive edge.
So we got to be force to play as tanks you got to be kidding me , if the players choice to be dps or tank or hybrid , if the game was like that since the beginnig i will be ok so back then i would choose another class But to be force to be in this situation when u have tons of hours and a few thousand dollars on the game is fked

No.... You are missing the point and/or wanting something which conflicts with class balance:
You can play as a tank and in that role with the proper gear and stats, you will be superior to any other class of comparable level in holding aggro and absorbing damage.
You can play as a solo build and in that role with the proper gear and stats, you will be sufficient at dishing out damage and taking damage. You will not be as efficient as a Ranger, Rogue, or Mage, but those classes will never be able to take tank like you can.

See, if you are wanting to be able to play as a tank and be better at holding aggro and absorbing damage than the other classes, AND be able to restat and dish out damage comparable to the DPS-oriented classes, you are wanting something unreasonable.

Have you see the stats the radiant armor gives, the balanced is broken with the correct amount of rings and charm u can have the same protection of Tank the health of tank take your time look at all stats in all Items .and you will see u can make a heavy defence heavy armor ( ranger rogue event druid) without sacrifincing your damage ,now is all about gear and acessories. But this not will change the slow the a warrior hits and the interupptioms in combo no present in other class, im just telling you as the game is now with new armor at moment bracelets,rings and charms. And offhand weps.

Why u think is diversity of lux items they are not binding by class, and this post take in cosideration all new summer dragon event armor availble at moment , so check
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Re: Fix the broken warrior no all warrior want to be tanks

#36
The developers have done an excellent job of better distinguishing class roles. A warrior should not be able to out dps a rogue of similar level. You cannot have it all. As a druid it would be absurd for me to ask to be able to do damage on par with a mage right? Warriors are super valuable. Really every class is amazing. You do get some wiggle room to chose more defensive or offensive orientations, but not to the extent that you can be on par with an offensive class. Warriors and Druids will (rightfully so) not be able to out damage a similar level Mage, Rogue, Ranger. But, those classes will never be able to tank as well as a warrior, or Heal and buff like a Druid.

If I am really reading into your message correctly, it is that you made your warrior during a time when you had the best of both worlds. Warriors could out damage rogues and also respec to be tremendous tanks. Now things have changed and rather than making a rogue if you want to be all out dps, you are upset because you have lost your offensive edge.
So we got to be force to play as tanks you got to be kidding me , if the players choice to be dps or tank or hybrid , if the game was like that since the beginnig i will be ok so back then i would choose another class But to be force to be in this situation when u have tons of hours and a few thousand dollars on the game is fked

No.... You are missing the point and/or wanting something which conflicts with class balance:
You can play as a tank and in that role with the proper gear and stats, you will be superior to any other class of comparable level in holding aggro and absorbing damage.
You can play as a solo build and in that role with the proper gear and stats, you will be sufficient at dishing out damage and taking damage. You will not be as efficient as a Ranger, Rogue, or Mage, but those classes will never be able to take tank like you can.

See, if you are wanting to be able to play as a tank and be better at holding aggro and absorbing damage than the other classes, AND be able to restat and dish out damage comparable to the DPS-oriented classes, you are wanting something unreasonable.

Have you see the stats the radiant armor gives, the balanced is broken with the correct amount of rings and charm u can have the same protection of Tank the health of tank take your time look at all stats in all Items .and you will see u can make a heavy defence heavy armor ( ranger rogue event druid) without sacrifincing your damage ,now is all about gear and acessories. But this not will change the slow the a warrior hits and the interupptioms in combo no present in other class, im just telling you as the game is now with new armor at moment bracelets,rings and charms. And offhand weps.

Why u think is diversity of lux items they are not binding by class, and this post take in cosideration all new summer dragon event armor availble at moment , so check
Unless the Radiant armor has the focus bonuses of Diamond, I am not sure what you are saying is true for Mages or Druids, that we can have all this great defense without sacrificing damage.
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Re: Fix the broken warrior no all warrior want to be tanks

#37
Unless the Radiant armor has the focus bonuses of Diamond, I am not sure what you are saying is true for Mages or Druids, that we can have all this great defense without sacrificing damage.


Well let me explain new items if you take out your diamond boots,gloves and helmet amd equipped

Greater/radiant earthstone helm. Will give 350/500 energy and 350/500 health + some weaking and wounding evasion bonusses 125 for greater 150 for radiant

Radiant gaunlets will give you 250 attack/ 250 energy and Physical and mOvement attact evasion 150
Radiant boots will give you 250/defence / 250. Health And movement and weakening defence.


Any class will gain 600/750energy/ 600/750health 250 attack/ 250 defence

And mage and druid just will sacrifice 19 points on vitality/ focus but wait gets better just get a. Imperial 20/20/20 lvl 80 or goodly wymclaw bracelet 25/25/25 lvl 120 and u will loose nothing but if you wamt make better add some radiant rings birch 250 defence and Radiant willow. 250 attack

So you will end. With 550/ 550attack/defence + 25 damage so
Last edited by Fromen on Tue Aug 21, 2012 3:33 am, edited 2 times in total.
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Re: Fix the broken warrior no all warrior want to be tanks

#38
radiant armor does not add any damage advantages for a spell caster, so I am going to have to more outwardly disagree with your claim.


I edited this because Fromen was jnot done with his post when i made my reply.
Last edited by Gort on Tue Aug 21, 2012 7:20 am, edited 1 time in total.
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Re: Fix the broken warrior no all warrior want to be tanks

#39
Fromen,
I do not think I can intelligently engage with you any longer... I mean quoting me without adding anything of your own...

And no, radiant armor does not add any damage advantages for a spell caster, so I am going to have to more outwardly disagree with your claim.

Oopps sorry i was preview in the quote and send it by mistake so my bad.
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Re: Fix the broken warrior no all warrior want to be tanks

#40
Caliban: The idea that you could sue seems a little silly to me. I don't think you have a case. You don't own your toon. You don't own anything except your play experience and memories. What you are actually investing money in is that play experience and those memories. That's it. OTM could shut down the game completely tomorrow, or turn us all into pink bunnies and Hello Kitty animations and your only recourse if you did not like these changes would be to find a new game to play. (OTM, please do not turn us in to pink bunnies and Hello Kitty animations.)
Not entirely true. You can take the case up with apple.
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