Celtic Heroes

It is with great sorrow that I make my departure from the clan today. My departure shall be permanite untill things are changed back to the way they were. To the lower lvs I feel as if I an looked down upon by the higher clan members. I feel as if ne as a lower lv is not getting the respect deserved in a clan with my departure from the clan comes a great sorrow. But I wish you all luck and will see you all around the server sometine. Have fun killing the bosses and if anyone wants to talk to me I will either be found in stonevale or the catacombs. Have fun in the game and smile lots. Sincerly, your friend and ex clanmate. K1ngaw350m3

P.s. phill I do NOT blame you or anyone for this I just feel that as a lower lv in bot gettibg the respect I deserve or getting as many oppertuinities as the higher lvs are and I think it should go back to the highs and lows working together instead of this way where the highs go off and leave the lows behind

Nobody has insulted you or treated you badly to my knowledge. The Black Watch is supposed to be a nice way for mature players to chat and help each other out, but it isnt a quick way for players to skip through the game. If 3 or 4 level 80 players can kill one boss and increase the chance for them to get a disc frag or rare drop, there's nothing wrong with that. If a player isn't essential to killing a boss, then they logically have no claim to be in the group. If they get in and then get the rare drop, yet didnt help much, do you think that is more fair to the players who have put more time into leveling? It goes both ways and the top players aren't just charities, we are all having friendly competition with one another to be the first to get all the armor. After we all have it, we would be more willing to help others, but everyone plays a game with the purpose of their own entertainment. I've seen you in plenty of groups and I haven't seen anyone being mean to you. Do you help the lower levels in the clan? Instead of saying that high levels don't help you, why not help the lower levels than you while training yourself to earn your way to the top?

First off, on behalf of me and the rest of the clan, I would like to express our sadness at your departure, and wish you all the best in your future endeavors on Epona, Celtic Heroes, and life in general. I would also like to let you know that if you ever wish to return, you may speak to me and I will gladly take you back into the fold! Sorry to hear that you feel you weren't getting the respect due to you - I have not been made aware of anyone being rude to you and if that is the case let me know and I can speak to them.

As for grouping and boss fighting, I understand your frustrations but BK does make some valid points. Especially now that the disc fragment drops have been greatly reduced, I can understand how high level players and those who spend lots of money on potions and other platinum goodies want to improve their chances of getting good drops. It isn't like it was in the catacombs anymore, where often times players would get duplicate pieces of armor or armor/weapons that were not for their class. Now everyone gets discs which can be collected by any class and traded in. On top of that, whereas in dustwither we were all equal or higher level that the bosses, most of us are below or at best, equal level to the Stonevale bosses. Once everyone starts hitting higher levels 80+ the bosses are going to start dropping like flies and more of the goodies will be floating around. There have also been multiple tweaks and changes to bosses, grouping, experience, and gold/item drops in general, but once this settles down we will be able to geet back in a groove again.

Regardless, I hope there are no hard feelings, and hope that you are still able to enjoy the game to the fullest!

Best of luck and see you around!

Shaggadelic

Totally sympathize and agree with kingawesome here.

Even right here in this thread.

He's complaining about the way he gets treated and BK you just start talking about bosses. Bosses are just the end game there is still much more in this game and that is exactly is what he is talking about.

Quite frankly I'm getting fed up myself. Hey jezzy let's kill a boss. Hey who wants to kill a boss. let's get hellfire. bone giant is here are you guys coming? You know what yeah I want to kill a boss or 2 a day but it gets old. Yes most of us are high levels bk but frags are not what this game should be about. We also have something called a clan we need to work on and truth be told it's looking pretty bad here.

Let me be honest about something and hear me out. At the time I completely disagreed about letting kingawesome into this clan. He was what like 20 or 30 levels behind most everyone else. You know what he turned out pretty good, one of my favorites, but ever since then we are recruiting more and more 40's and then all we are going to do is dedicate ourselves to is boss fights?

The clan needs a direction. Are we going to be a high end clan just focusing on frags? (In which I'll probably leave too and just quit the game). There is absolutely NO fun in that. Are we just going to focus on being a good clan and having fun? Are we going to be large clan? A small clan? You catch my drift.

Imo this whole system is flawed and I have disagreed with it since the start. I also think it is unfair and bullcrap to certain players. Let me explain why. We have two clans, one for lower levels and one for higher levels. If we are going to let lower levels in our clan blackwatch why not scrap the lower level clan? You are separating the lower levels so they can't communicate and you are also isolating some because we do NOT watch them in the other clan. In fact we desert them. Most of the clan deserts the lower levels in our clan blackwatch too and if you don't see it you are blind.

While everyone else has been dropping bosses all day long some of us have been trying to help some of these lower levels. But you know what when like 9/10th of the group does not help they notice and they leave. And I know alot of you have said you have not heard of any problems but you need to open your eyes and look around in the clan chat. It has been dead for a reason. If you were a low level constantly hearing about boss fights in clan chat, would you mention anything? No. You wouldn't.

You need to scrap the other clan and let them all in here. We can all watch them closely and boot them instantly if we want. It's really not rocket science and having 2 clans really is making things too complicated.

It's really sad but I think back to the days in the catacombs as the "good old days" when everyone was there and we ALL were helping each other no matter the level. Sadly those times are long gone and all that matters is how many frags will drop.

From reading this.
I would like to join your clan. I started playing Celtic Heroes ~5 days ago i have a lvl 33 Ranger on Epona World.

Who do i need to talk to?

I am glad that you have said your piece Jezzy, and I agree with pretty much everything that you said. Personally I couldn't care less about getting frags and all that business. My main objective was to have a clan that could have fun, be respectful of EVERYONE (that goes for the highest ranked players too), get along as best we can, play hard, and work well as a team.

Akebrett and I have a blast roaming all over stonevale killing regular mobs and cracking wise; newbs ask me for help killing so and so, and if I am not busy I help them out. We don't stand around waiting for others to kill bosses, we get out there and EXPLORE and enjoy the nice game onethumb has provided... And when I say people have to be helpful to others I don't mean just ppl in our membership. I don't care if they are in TBW, Legends, TheWatchList, or the Wu Tang Clan for that matter - being nice and helpful (when I can) is my main motto, and I hope to foster that in ALL TBW members.

Since the update, at various points there have been very high tensions between clanmates, but I have groqwn weary of trying to improve clan morale or settle disputes constantly. I don't mind it once in a while, but EVERYONE needs to work on their social graces and keeping it fun. People also have to realize that sometime others have had a bad day, or are in a crappy mood sometimes, but when it continues for too long, it spreads like a poison... It takes a village people!

I do realize that others have tried to help build morale as well, and I greatly appreciate any and all efforts made by others to make TBW the best dang clan on Epona!

I am going to stop ranting now before this starts to get incoherent but suffice it to say, I want people to feel welcome here - I don't want TBW to become clique-ish...

I will say that I don't think we should scrap thewatchlist, but perhaps we should make it so that people who reach a certain level automatically get promoted if they wish... I am willing to open it up for discussion, and of course it is BK's clan, so obviously we need his input...

Anywho, I hope that at least some of my points get across here. And remember Papa Shaggadelic loves all his children, he just wishes that you didn't fight so much...

(Group hug anyone?)

Sorry jezzy but you're clueless about half of what you just talked about. K1ng has left the clan TWICE, and both times it was when people were fighting bosses without him. I saw him do it and even let him back into the clan the first time. I talk to him politely, and I've seen the rest of the clan treat him with nothing but respect. Half the time I play lately is dedicated to just talking crap with the people i've come to like and spend game time with. As I type this im standing around in the game doing nothing besides shooting the sheet with roirraW, who is level 56. I dont care what level you are, I give equal respect. The rest is either spent boss fighting or helping members of both clans. I've been in the catacombs and even crookback just recruiting people for watchlist and helping them train, giving them free stuff I could probably easily sell if I wanted, and otherwise just informing them about the game and how they can succeed and help each others. I have single digit levels in that clan who are genuinely nice people, but they have a lot of questions about everything and the older players don't always wanna deal with the same questions everyday. Shag created the clan to be for higher levels and more mature people, that was his choice. A week ago I told you the level req was 50, you told me you think it should be 60.

I believe our clan does help all levels. I've been helping random people kill the floating pumpkin. We've let all members including k1ng into boss fight groups too. I almost always heal or help out when I see our guys training. I've helped train our newest member Alex up a lot in the past couple weeks. I see people helping others all the time. I spend a ton of my in game time helping people. But there's certain things I don't do because it doesn't make sense. I've given away free plate armor tons of times. I refuse to give plate armor to a level 12 who still has leather armor or something no matter what.

Why?

Because this game like all role playing games is about phases. Almost everyone at the top has gone through the different phases of the game and put in the time to train. There's such thing as helping out and then there's helping skip the game. Groups should be of people of similar levels because you feel more of a community sense and sense that you have contributed. You grow together and are proud of what you've done. You and I have been within one level of each other since about level 24 when we first met and I consider that a great part of the game. If Shag came into crookback, found us, and then suited us up with redclaw armor before we even got plate armor, id personally feel cheated right now. If you aren't in the 70s and dont have full ancient gear, why do you need the new class gear? Its the same concept. All of the high level players bought the ancient gear, and are now working together to get the new class gear. It should not be an issue if a few high levels wanna kill bosses exclusively. We have already paved the way for the up and coming players and sell them our ancient gear at nice discounts. Thats a huge bonus right there. We all treat each other with respect and rude people have been aborted from the clan. We help the lower levels and I see it being done daily. The lower levels should group together more often which would make their experiences more enjoyable because theyd be contributing equally and really having fun going through the game at the proper pace.

I do agree that the watch list has been ignored by most of the clan though. I asked people to help them more, and I really wish they would. There are some bad people in this game who just beg and scam all day, so my main req for TWL is just that you are polite and want help getting better. The clan needs to help them as they get through the rest of the game and catch up to us. There is not much to do in the game besides kill bosses, so a lot of us have made side accounts and are in watch list, helping. While also experiencing the replay value of the game. More people should help them out to show that BW isnt just self interested.

I think some people are missing the point of the watch list if they criticize it. I asked that members of the BW have their other account in WL so that they can communicate and help the members out right alongside them. The point of the clan is not just that you see a label above someones head and randomly decide to help them. You are supposed to be there in the trenches with them having fun with a side character that is a different class than your main char so that you can enjoy the game from a different perspective, make friends, and help lots of people out. I have been doing that on my side account McDonalds. So have members like roirraW and Ianbean, who have done as much or even more for that clan than I have. The Black Watch being above them is meant as motivation so they train hard and join the elite ranks.

What I'm trying to do here is get a point across that the is about having fun while playing with random people you may one day consider a friend. Not about lv which is what I feel you are thibkibg only about BK and yes I have left before to come back but that was a bad day. This time it was not a bad day but mearly the respect lv sone of us lower lvs get in the clan because we have not "earned a spot". U say yourself that you help lower lvs but what I see is greed. I gave you BK all three of my disk fragments I had because I felt it better that a clan be as one not based on lvs. But now you have gotten greedy on the game beacause of fragments and that greed is what moved me away from the clan. I see it as disrespect for after selling my frags to you that you won't let me help in the ways I can because of lv. I would easily be lv 85 by now but I spent the time you took lving yourself to help others outside of the clan. The big point is that I feel greed upon the members. I spent all the time after the update helping others that some had trouble understanding me. While you lvd urself up and are now using it for your own cause of greed. The greed leads to the disrespect I feel even if it is indirect it is still there. If we switched places you would understand what I'm saying but you probly won't because you don't feel the disrespect or frustration I have from all this. I am not trying to start a argument because I find it a waste of time. I an simply tryibg to get my point across