Celtic Heroes

Moved to Feedback and Suggestions

Moved to Feedback and Suggestions

This isn't feedback, it's a discussion on class inequality as the title portrays.

It's been in General Discussion for 4 months now, why move it?

I haven't played either class to end-game (180+), but I have played enough to know rogue is definitely higher in terms of DPS.

Although, when lixing I found myself potting far more with the rogue and relied on combos since being attacked by multiple enemies was pretty common. Rangers can bolas and light heal which significantly reduces the need to regen health, and doesn't skill spam which reduces energy regen.

The level 200 obelisk is a good example as to the huge advantage being a ranged class has over someone who is a rogue. Of course it would be optimal to have druids with nature's breath in every group but sometimes you're not lucky enough to get more than 2 or 3 druids which are needed for the tanks.

A list of things I want on my warrior

1. Bolas
2. A healing skill that does 1k+
3. A buff that adds about 1k damage to a group of 8 people
4. Camo
5. Long ranged attacks
6. Dps equal to a rogue while doing all of the above

From what I have seen, this is the post of unrealistic wants... Everyone go on and list any skill or possibility you want for any of your classes want protective stance on your mage? Go for it! shadowstrike on your druids? Pssh who wouldn't!

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i think some of those are actually possible correct me if i'm wrong but skills had no class req at the start of the game. I have seen rangers with natures touch and druids with the fireball skill

No. Ranger has light heal. And druid has storm touch which is kind of like a fireball but not made of fire

I haven't played either class to end-game (180+), but I have played enough to know rogue is definitely higher in terms of DPS.

Although, when lixing I found myself potting far more with the rogue and relied on combos since being attacked by multiple enemies was pretty common. Rangers can bolas and light heal which significantly reduces the need to regen health, and doesn't skill spam which reduces energy regen.

The level 200 obelisk is a good example as to the huge advantage being a ranged class has over someone who is a rogue. Of course it would be optimal to have druids with nature's breath in every group but sometimes you're not lucky enough to get more than 2 or 3 druids which are needed for the tanks.

No one is saying we want equal dps as a rogue. What we're saying is we want our skills to be fixed. We want str based skills if we want to be str based. Rogues are given this option and their skills do good damage. If we go dex build because all our skills are dex ed based, we have horrible autos and our skills still do very minimal damage.

I haven't played either class to end-game (180+), but I have played enough to know rogue is definitely higher in terms of DPS.

Although, when lixing I found myself potting far more with the rogue and relied on combos since being attacked by multiple enemies was pretty common. Rangers can bolas and light heal which significantly reduces the need to regen health, and doesn't skill spam which reduces energy regen.

The level 200 obelisk is a good example as to the huge advantage being a ranged class has over someone who is a rogue. Of course it would be optimal to have druids with nature's breath in every group but sometimes you're not lucky enough to get more than 2 or 3 druids which are needed for the tanks.

I slightly disagree and here's why:

Lvls 1-120

A ranger will be cheaper and easier to play than a rogue due to:

• ranged ability
• dex based build with potent skills ***only at low levels***
• loot availability
• light heal
• mob difficulty is just the right amount, meaning your autos will still be potent and you can heal without being interrupted so all around it's more fun and as easy to play as a rogue.

Lvls 120-200

Rogues gain the upper hand. This is where a dex build gives them:

• More DPS,
• Better survivability skills,
• A wider skill pool,
• Well-suited gear (obsidian, radiant, beastbone-dex)

all which permit them to keep idol and restoration pot usage at a relatively lower amount than rangers of the same level. Restoration pots may be used galore if the energy regeneration is weak but at least he can kill mobs and solo his way to success while rangers are left in the dust and only plat/money can save their butts. To put this into perspective:

On a dexterity build with my rogue, levelling was a breeze at wyrms and trolls. Yes I got clobbered by trolls if I was soloing but I never soloed, I would pair up with my ranger and druid. Restoration use was way less than my ranger, not to mention lifesteal and riposte which helped a ton, but what is more is that my enemy was dead while my ranger was still casting bolas and shooting the damn arrows.

Conclusion:

Rangers suck from levels 130-190 when they don't have the best gear or full dragonlord. This is due to a severely lacking skill pool which is not complimented by strength and not potent enough with dexterity.

I haven't seen a single ranger on this thread saying ranger and rogue should be equal in dps. I've seen rangers explain they need some skills fixed.

On my rogue, I can go str or dex and have decent skills to compliment that build. I can have higher skill damage and less auto damage and visa versa.

On my ranger I can go less auto damage and still not have better skills damage. All my skills are dex but going high dex only makes my autos low and my skills still don't do much damage.

I'm not trying to outdps anyone. I simply want skills fixed and give me a str skill

idk maybe you just read the first page.. but a lot of rangers are saying they want equal dps

im all for giving rangers better damage skills, but not to the point of a rogue because lets remember this rangers are ranged and if they have same damage and cant be hit thats op..

im all for giving rangers better damage skills, but not to the point of a rogue because lets remember this rangers are ranged and if they have same damage and cant be hit thats op..

I don't know why everyone thinks rangers don't get hit. Even with bolas our dps isn't strong enough even with skills to kill things worth xp before they get to us unless we bolas and auto, bolas again before it gets to us and run away a bit and then fire again. Meanwhile the high dex rogue has killed 5 in that time.

Life steal may not be as strong as our light heal but it is fast casting unlike light heal. Bolas are ok but all it does is make the kill longer which means less xp per lix. Bolas on a boss also benefits the rogue so that's a moot point.

im all for giving rangers better damage skills, but not to the point of a rogue because lets remember this rangers are ranged and if they have same damage and cant be hit thats op..

I don't know why everyone thinks rangers don't get hit. Even with bolas our dps isn't strong enough even with skills to kill things worth xp before they get to us unless we bolas and auto, bolas again before it gets to us and run away a bit and then fire again. Meanwhile the high dex rogue has killed 5 in that time.

Life steal may not be as strong as our light heal but it is fast casting unlike light heal. Bolas are ok but all it does is make the kill longer which means less xp per lix. Bolas on a boss also benefits the rogue so that's a moot point.

Let's not forget that bolas is virtually useless all throughout the boggan caves as the mobs are clustered and have high agro range.

So much for ranged