Celtic Heroes

Gron isnt endgame
Cragskor isnt quite endgame
I wouldnt call revenant much of an end-game too as he cant even bring offhands, but fine.
event? They all suck.
Banebrand, u can outdps a mage on them. Its not a 100% mage kill.
Crystals arent dps measure, they're support. Its like saying that someone has best dps if he kills necro spirits the fastest.

EDL bosses give endgame armour.

Event sucks? Ur skain set sucks? Firebolt recast charms suck? Godly event ammies for druid and Mage sucks? These event charms suck for mages and Druids?

I've never lost a bane kill on my Mage to a melee toon when I was paying full attention.

You still need good DPS for crystals and u couldn't kill them fast enough without mages DPS

Events are never a correct measurement. Silverweb rings that geared mages very well was weakest to warriors. I got skain kills myself as a warrior.
Skain, smolach, obelisk (first smolach btw) were all weak to fire, so ice was still weak.
New smolach is weak to ice, fire useless on that.

Whether u like it or not to keep the throne of rogues, event, 195, 205, 210 arent end-game. They provide armour that is meant to face end-game bosses with, but the boss is designed to be killed with dl, and it isnt end-game.

I bet that if u get Gelebron kill on ur ranger and a crystal kill on ur mage, u wont go and show off ur crystal kill would u? Nor it is a way to measure best dps, again which u completely ignored, its like saying whos best dps by seeing who gets most necro spirits kill. Crystals DPS is still support.

EDIT: And u can stop using only examples that are urself to try and prove a point. 'Only when I pay attention' is a good excuse, but even then ice mage wont get the kill and fire mage can be outdpsed, and thats when melee classes arent even hasted.

Oh man, people are actually arguing that mages are on par in terms of end game dps.


Hilarious stuff.

Oh man, people are actually arguing that mages are on par in terms of end game dps.


Hilarious stuff.

I'm certain that event, crag, rev, banes are all end game bosses, because these are bosses that people will continue to kill to gear their clannies or sell drops on diff worlds.

Try going ice and you'll see the difference it'll make this event.

You are comparing event bosses to bosses like gele/proteus/mord/necro/hrung.

As well as the ring bosses which are poorly designed and people don't want to kill.

I have skilled max ice shards for the event, because unlike rogues/rangers, OTM doesn't screw you over for an entire event.

You are comparing event bosses to bosses like gele/proteus/mord/necro/hrung.

As well as the ring bosses which are poorly designed and people don't want to kill.

I have skilled max ice shards for the event, because unlike rogues/rangers, OTM doesn't screw you over for an entire event.

How is making ice mage better than rogues/rangers on this event screwing you over?

Alt books cost 10 plat, there always seems to be abundance of ice gear due to most mages choosing the fire path.

Its so odd how some ppl will make the most idiotic arguments like comparing 205, 210, 195, event and ring bosses (which if 5*, it can be even soloed by druid or ranger [will take forever] or killed by 2 toons) to bosses like hrungrir (and we can disqualify him too, still rogues or rangers), mordy, necro, proteus and gelebron just to keep their own class to be considered the best.

My mage has edl grim, two godly cooldown items and a 20% with the three top dps skills all hitting around 9k max, quickswapping like crazy (I average about a button click per second for dpsing, minimum). Yet I still would choose my lvl 200 warrior if I was trying to get a mord or necro kill. If I bothered leveling it to 215-220, I'd also choose it over my mage if I wanted to kill proteus.

I think people are managing to forget that the best drops come from hrung/necro/mord/prot/gelebron, not ring bosses/event/205/210. 205 and 210 can be locked or killed just fine without ice mages. Same with ring bosses. But any guesses how many mages it would take to replace your top 6 rangers at a necro? 10+? Until mages get a huge buff to lures (which screws mechanics at different levels) or gets divine damage added to skills from offhand/auras, they will continue to be among the worse endgame dps. I would argue that druid storm and strike should add divine dmg too. I'm not asking that mages be made into the top dps on every boss (that would also be unfair), but being the hardest to fully gear, terrible survivability/energy usage, etc, I would like to at least see my 9k dmg skills doing more than ranger auto attacks on some bosses. Ie, the best geared mage on a server should be able to consistently beat an edl offhand rogue/ranger with otherwise mediocre gear on raid bosses.

My mage has edl grim, two godly cooldown items and a 20% with the three top dps skills all hitting around 9k max, quickswapping like crazy (I average about a button click per second for dpsing, minimum). Yet I still would choose my lvl 200 warrior if I was trying to get a mord or necro kill. If I bothered leveling it to 215-220, I'd also choose it over my mage if I wanted to kill proteus.

I think people are managing to forget that the best drops come from hrung/necro/mord/prot/gelebron, not ring bosses/event/205/210. 205 and 210 can be locked or killed just fine without ice mages. Same with ring bosses. But any guesses how many mages it would take to replace your top 6 rangers at a necro? 10+? Until mages get a huge buff to lures (which screws mechanics at different levels) or gets divine damage added to skills from offhand/auras, they will continue to be among the worse endgame dps. I would argue that druid storm and strike should add divine dmg too. I'm not asking that mages be made into the top dps on every boss (that would also be unfair), but being the hardest to fully gear, terrible survivability/energy usage, etc, I would like to at least see my 9k dmg skills doing more than ranger auto attacks on some bosses. Ie, the best geared mage on a server should be able to consistently beat an edl offhand rogue/ranger with otherwise mediocre gear on raid bosses.

I agree mages need a bit of a buff to compete with higher dps class like rangers and rogues.. this post was mainly to see how many mages were lucky that the top dps player at kill disconnected lol . Otherwise I don't see a mage legit getting the kill on any raid boss. Edls aren't raid. They're just quest bosses. But bosses like mord, hrung, necro etc are raid.. at this point. The only reason I still play mage is the cool animations in casting ice

I might have seen one legit mage kill on mordy but I wasnt in lock group so wasnt sure if that mage got it or not (mage wasnt in lock group either but took aggro from tank before the end), but the mage didnt use lures because they were covered so the skill set was firebolt, storm, attune, incinerate, shards and blast. Was one time thing.