Celtic Heroes

Firstly if someone is going to argue about this, please don't bring religion into this. Saying: "they will be judged after death, so don't worry" is completely useless since you're pretty much ignoring any possible atheists that are reading the thread.

If the death penalty did exist, or didn't exist, it wouldn't really impact me either way. What I really don't like is the 25 year typical sentence for murder (for Australia anyway). I mean really? 25? I'd be much happier if it were doubled to 50, so they can literally spend the majority of their lives left behind bars, because I sure don't want them around in the general public.

Also I don't see how executing someone makes you as bad as them murdering the person originally... Really terrible argument. They are obviously aware of the punishment they will receive for their acts, so if capital punishment did exist then it's all their damn fault. Of course if they're mentally unstable there are measure to take care of that, but that's a whole different sub-topic.

20 is the maximum prison sentence here isnt it? Was used on that police killer Malcolm something, tbh if i was put in jail for 20 years when i was 20 id want to die not wait until im 40 to get out and missed the best years of my life

It might differ between states, but I'm pretty sure it's 25 years in NSW.


Just another point to put out there your way Arj, how is this different from robbing a store (inflicting financial damage to store owner), and then subsequently being fined for the act (financial damage on criminal). Isn't fining the thief the same as murdering a murderer? Of course it's on a whole different level, but the point still stands.

Ha, you're just getting me warmed up bud.

First of all, my "judged after death" argument as you can clearly see came 115 replies after my OP so it is obviously not my main argument. The fact that you would personally go out of the way to single it out comes to show that

1. You did not read the whole thread
2. You have some sort of grudge against religious people

I am fairly certain you're one of those atheist people that jump at every chance they get to put down religious people and to show-off their superiority and their infallible logic.

Second of all, your analogy is extremely poor and ludicrous at that. Comparing a fine to capital punishment? Seriously? Are you out of your mind? You, as a human being, be you a beggar on the street to the president of the United States, to the owner of a huge business empire have no right over anyone's life.

If they commit a crime, your job as a citizen of the community is to remove them from the community. How would a prison life sentence bother you and not do the job as effectively as a death punishment?

Now executing someone for murdering someone originally does make you as bad as the murderer. You are trying to show the murderer that killing is evil so why do the same to him? That is mind-boggling to me.

Prison for life is the best punishment. People change, people learn from their mistakes. Don't condemn every murderer out there because I bet you some have become the nicest people out there, probably nicer than you and me are right now. Accepting the crime, forgiving the criminal is tough but somewhat doable, but keeping a grudge for eternity and condemning them to death without the slightest thought because it's the day way out is to me the most repugnant thing you can do and makes you no better than the criminal.

It might differ between states, but I'm pretty sure it's 25 years in NSW.


Just another point to put out there your way Arj, how is this different from robbing a store (inflicting financial damage to store owner), and then subsequently being fined for the act (financial damage on criminal). Isn't fining the thief the same as murdering a murderer? Of course it's on a whole different level, but the point still stands.

Im NSW... Lol maybe idk never really payed attention to the justce systems since its all corrupted anway

It might differ between states, but I'm pretty sure it's 25 years in NSW.


Just another point to put out there your way Arj, how is this different from robbing a store (inflicting financial damage to store owner), and then subsequently being fined for the act (financial damage on criminal). Isn't fining the thief the same as murdering a murderer? Of course it's on a whole different level, but the point still stands.

Your analogies are quite ludicrous. The police one actually made me laugh, this one made me bash my head against my work table.

Ha, you're just getting me warmed up bud.

First of all, my "judged after death" argument as you can clearly see came 115 replies after my OP so it is obviously not my main argument. The fact that you would personally go out of the way to single it out comes to show that

1. You did not read the whole thread
2. You have some sort of grudge against religious people

I am fairly certain you're one of those atheist people that jump at every chance they get to put down religious people and to show-off their superiority and their infallible logic.

Second of all, your analogy is extremely poor and ludicrous at that. Comparing a fine to capital punishment? Seriously? Are you out of your mind? You, as a human being, be you a beggar on the street to the president of the United States, to the owner of a huge business empire have no right over anyone's life.

If they commit a crime, your job as a citizen of the community is to remove them from the community. How would a prison life sentence bother you and not do the job as effectively as a death punishment?

Now executing someone for murdering someone originally does make you as bad as the murderer. You are trying to show the murderer that killing is evil so why do the same to him? That is mind-boggling to me.

Prison for life is the best punishment. People change, people learn from their mistakes. Don't condemn every murderer out there because I bet you some have become the nicest people out there, probably nicer than you and me are right now. Accepting the crime, forgiving the criminal is tough but somewhat doable, but keeping a grudge for eternity and condemning them to death without the slightest thought because it's the day way out is to me the most repugnant thing you can do and makes you no better than the criminal.

For single time murderes capital punishment shouldnt apply, capital punishment is only for the worst of the worst like serial killing(which is 3 or more murders at different times), genocides( like hitler), rapists in my opinion is one of the worst ones i have a friend who was raped and its hard for the victims to ever recover often succumbing to depression cutting themselves feeling worthless etc, pedophiles have no place in society and victims of pedophelia often turn into pedophiles themselves they need to recieve capital punishment aswell

Insult you twice? I am rebutting your arguments because you are blatantly assuming we are all religious.

You insist on proving that the executioner is just as bad as the murderer. Rethink those arguments before typing it all again once someone opposes you because they just don't make sense.

Murdering - criminal act against the law

Execution - punishment for breaking the law


It's like saying a police officer who fines you for speeding is just as bad as you, because they had to speed to catch up to you.. Exactly, it boggles my mind how you could even relate the two situations.

Edit: I said I don't care if death penalty exists or doesn't, how about reading my posts before replying please?

Gotta admit, very well written and the speeding cop analogy-- I couldn't think of anything better, just well played...

Insult you twice? I am rebutting your arguments because you are blatantly assuming we are all religious.

You insist on proving that the executioner is just as bad as the murderer. Rethink those arguments before typing it all again once someone opposes you because they just don't make sense.

Murdering - criminal act against the law

Execution - punishment for breaking the law


It's like saying a police officer who fines you for speeding is just as bad as you, because they had to speed to catch up to you.. Exactly, it boggles my mind how you could even relate the two situations.

Edit: I said I don't care if death penalty exists or doesn't, how about reading my posts before replying please?

Gotta admit, very well written and the speeding cop analogy-- I couldn't think of anything better, just well played...

Are you serious or sarcastic?

The analogy was extremely unrelated and a poor choice. Speeding with a matter of death/life?

How do you say someone is mentally unstable ? This is a subjective thing.

Insult you twice? I am rebutting your arguments because you are blatantly assuming we are all religious.

You insist on proving that the executioner is just as bad as the murderer. Rethink those arguments before typing it all again once someone opposes you because they just don't make sense.

Murdering - criminal act against the law

Execution - punishment for breaking the law


It's like saying a police officer who fines you for speeding is just as bad as you, because they had to speed to catch up to you.. Exactly, it boggles my mind how you could even relate the two situations.

Edit: I said I don't care if death penalty exists or doesn't, how about reading my posts before replying please?

Gotta admit, very well written and the speeding cop analogy-- I couldn't think of anything better, just well played...

Are you serious or sarcastic?

The analogy was extremely unrelated and a poor choice. Speeding with a matter of death/life?

Speeding is a matter of life and death 95% of all car crashes are because of speeding