He's the definition of troll. If you ever get the time to install groupie you will see how much he's respected in all chats.Calling other people's arguments gibberish and making a statement that you're not going to bother reading them makes your posts worthless. Why post anything in the first place?
Respect other people's effort to respond to you.
...napol... thats all just gibberish what you just wrote is it not?...
i didnt take the time to read not even one sentence
Yes lol,Ss would be good. I'd like either a shatter skill or a Pierce lure rangers could cast.
And zyz is right, a few extra buffs/debuffs be nice to see for us supportYes lol,Ss would be good. I'd like either a shatter skill or a Pierce lure rangers could cast.
imo rangers are good as they are, few tweaks are needed like get rid of the 6m rule on longshot. But as it stands if you built your ranger right, you wont have problems. Rogues die too much, druids hit like a pillow fight, why do we want 1 class to rule all? Its the point of a team to have strengths and weaknesses lol. Imo anyway
Ive soloed stonelord to 30% and my pads on my fingers were sore because it took so long!bsWitnessed it
yakat your really pissing me off, who deceided that rouge should have the greatest dps? Like wtf where are you pulling this bs rouges aren't meant to be high dps either they are supposed to be sneaky, like every other ranger post it seems like to me all you want to do is keep the rouges at the top and by how you've been acting im sure you are a rouge.That's why we never see rangers get kills. Oh wait, they do periodically. They aren't the dps class and should not compete with one for dps.Swan,
We don't have to suffer that but while we're pulling our string back to release our first arrow, rogues have had the chance to use shadowstrike, sneaky attack, quick strike and are probably in the process of casting rend when Snorri hits them with Body Slam. If you haven't played the rogue/ranger classes in parallel, you haven't experienced this first - hand.
So how long would it take to solo a 6 star maybe just 30min to an hour?Well based off your sig, I don't think you've reached DL levels or "end game" so to speak. So talking about who gets kills at raid bosses… that would be second hand info for you. But that's not too important.OKAY LISTEN UP! *warning this will probably be a slight rant*
I AM TIRED OF HAVING TO GO THROUGH AND DEFEND THE RANGER RIGHT TO FLIPPIN DPS IN A TOTALLY 100% DPS-BASED GAME.
WE RANGERS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE THE MIRROR CLASS OF ROGUES.
ROGUES DIDNT DECIDE TO START CALLING THEMSELVES THE DPS KINGS UNTIL THIS FOURTH VERSION.
THIS VERSION HAS KILLED RANGER AND MAGE DPS.
IF WE HAVE THE SAME ARMOR ROGUES DO WE SHOULD HAVE COMPARABLE DMG.
WARRIORS HAVE MORE ARMOR THAN WE DO. WHO CARES? THEY CAN EVEN OUTDPS US CONSTANTLY UNTIL ENDGAME- AND EVEN THEN ITS DEBATEABLE.
DRUIDS, THE LEAST-DPS-ORIENTED CLASS IN THE WHOLE GAME CONSISTENTLY GET KILLS OVER US RANGERS.
Okay, so now that I got all that out...
Rangers aren't asking to be the best dps in game no matter our gear, build, skills, or level. We just want what everyone else wants (or should want [for their class]) for our class: Comparable dps. If a ranger and rogue have the same build with similar skills, then they should have comparable dmg. instead, in this "lovely" version rogues take it all. The only time rangers have a chance at not being outdpsed by rogues 10-30 levels lower than them is at endgame with the dl quiver. That, in case people haven't noticed, is UNFAIR. THAT IS ALL WE ARE TRYING TO FLIPPIN SAY!
What if a rogue couldn't get quickstrike, lifesteal, and shadowstrike until he was level 180? How about he also couldn't get an offhand? And, for kicks, lets say he couldn't even get fast reflexes til then. If such a thing happened, very few people would be playing a rogue. Now think about what I have said here (rogues, NON-RANGERS in general, and rangers). Think up a good and (please) give me an intelligent response. I know many people (like swan and yakat for example) really are smart and intelligent- though both can be occasionally frustrating just like the rest of us.
What I am trying to say is this: try and walk a mile in someone else's shoes before you judge them.
To translate a little better: Try and play a class before you judge it.
Ranger skills definitely need to be worth using; there's no debate about that. The real question is: after rangers get a skill buff, should a ranger's DPS match the DPS of an equally statted/geared/leveled rogue?
In my opinion, the answer to that is no. Range is an advantage in this game, and not just at bosses where rangers stand out of range of AoEs. Rangers can also solo lower level bosses by bolasing and kiting. This is something few end game rangers mention.
A level 180+ DL ranger can solo any 6* boss in OW except aggy without using items. A level 180+ DL rogue, even with maxed reflexes and life steal and the best raid loot for his/her level, cannot solo 6* bosses without using items. The reason for this is that 6* bosses use a variety of skills, mostly close range ones, that reflexes cannot help avoid.
A melee DPS class ought to deal slightly more damage than a ranged DPS class. Yakat didn't make this rule up; I didn't make this rule up. Sacrificing damage for range and vice versa are fairly universal principles in all games.
P.S. Druids getting kills on 6* bosses is an extremely rare occurrence on my world. If you're talking about killing 1*-4* mobs, then yes, druids can get the kill depending on which skills they open with. But if you're talking about 6* bosses, full DPS druids do not get the kill unless something crazy happens. And if for whatever reason, a DPS druid on your world consistently gets the kill on 6* bosses, that means they are also beating rogue DPS.
And rangers are able to stay out of AoE and heal(if we disregard the support skills by calling them equal). Don't you think that justifies less dps?Iman, if it's really pissing you off, maybe take a step back. We're a debating about a make believe character in a mobile fantasy game.
Yakat, I have a ranger that has gotten the kill over some of our rogues on a few dl bosses and the 150 event. Any class can get the kill over another class depending on a number of factors. I've seen our warriors get the kills and other times mages get the kill and there has been twice that my druid has gotten the kill.
To me it seems like there is too much pigeon holing off the role of rangers and rogues. If you look at end game armor, rogues are given bonuses to enemy weakening support and rangers group and individual damage support. Both are pretty equal roles, just on the opposite ends of the spectrum.
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