Celtic Heroes

Hi everyone!

Is bugging cheating or is it just a clever solution when there is not enough people to take down a boss?

I lean towards the opinion that it is not cheating, myself. if the admins thought it was then they would patch it quickly or give out warnings to people. i also think that if a person who spends an hour+ just bugging the boss is dedicated enough to earn the drop, lol. i wouldnt have the patience

please share your opinions!

sincerely,

Lady Rosethorn of Rhiannon
Proud member of Rapture Eve

I personally think that it isn't cheating, but if someone is bugging the boss and someone else who's on and capable needs to kill that boss or a boss that's behind it (in the case of Shivercowl), then I think the non-bugging person should get the "right of way". In other words, if a person bugging a boss started complaining because someone else attacked that boss or walked past it with the intent of killing a boss only reachable by one path, I would get extremely annoyed at the bugger.

- It's not how the game was intended to be played, I think everyone knows that but the reality is that until the devs fix it, it will continue to be taken advantage of and I will one of the people taking advantage of it. That being said however, I am of the opinion that it should be fixed and I would be more than happy to supply the information that will help them fix it.

I actually haven't even ever seen it done on my server, I've just heard about it on the forums. Also I would like to mention that I personally wouldn't do something like that, as the whole point of the game is to see what you can do as a team. That's the same reason I don't ever use pots!

Hi,
On server Sulis taking an hour killing RockBelly would be a Christmas miracle! There is ever raging warfare and bosses are taken down as quickly as possible using a great deal of pots. We would be KS’ed so freaking fast. But I have been informed of a Ranger glitch, yes. Do I believe exploiting a glitch is cheating personally, no.

Tog

I consider exploiting a glitch on a boss, especially one that drops real coveted gear, like frags or tabs to be cheating.

To me, I think ruins the game and it does so on two levels.

1>. The game is meant to be played with interdependent classes fighting thru the challenge of tough fights and working hard thru the thick of it. Being "Celtic Heroes" if you will. Glitching isn't heroes vs a boss, it's players vs the code of the game. You aren't fighting any in game mechanic, you are exploiting a flaw in the code and reaping it's reward. And it doesn't matter how long it takes you, or how hard you fight once you glitch it, it's total cheating. I'm not some romantic who believes myself to be a Celtic Hero and I need to fight against some Celtic Villians. Nah I finish work, I throw my feet up and I play this game because unlike so many other iOS MMO's, this game is HARD and it's punishing and it's fun to compete when an equal lvl MOB can roflstomp you.

Glitchers castrate the best part of this game: it's difficulty and make a joke of it just so they can get some "phat lewt," and to me that's pathetic. Nothing rationalizes or justifies cheating, it's just what it is.

2>. The second thing has to do with the worth of the items taken. I know some of you on your servers, have many many many people with Meteoric Armor, but on Arawn people who have put the time into getting their meteoric gear pieces are celebrated. It means something to get yer hood/helm, your pants etc.. It's a badge of something, and accolade a real achievement. I said this on another thread but having glitchers cheapens the drops of the bosses as much as it cheapens the bosses. It's like the steroid era of baseball: because of so many people taking steroids, PED's and HGH everyone who played in that era becomes marginally to greatly tainted. Purely thru association.

I personally have made a two strike rule in my clan with glitching, 1st time is your warning, 2nd time is yer kick. And it's just because I want our meteoric armor gains to be legitimate. And in a game where you can't tell who got to lvl 90 thru popping platinum laced exp elixirs and who got there thru grinding and effort...I want to distance my crew from illegitimacy. Now that in itself opens up a new bag of worms, and It been tough trying to be cheat-free, especially when good clanmates get weak and greedy and you gotta decide what's more important your sense of gameplay or a great guy? It's a messy part of the game.

Now, I know I'm in the minority. I understand that. But if yer gonna cheat, at least freaking own it. Own the fact that you are cheating and then do whatever you please. I really doubt OTM is gonna patch something before Update 3 to fix this, but pretending you are totally valid and legitimate is riddiculous.

Not sure what this glitch is but if you could tell me I would use it

Hi!

Thank you to everone who has given an opinion! Of course the goal of this thread is not to convince anyone of anything one way or the other, but to hear from different points of view.

@ MrTubaPerson: I agree that it is very much a team oriented game. Follow up question: consider that there are some people that are for whatever reason unable or unwilling to be part of a clan or group, bugging may very well be the only way to get anything from these bosses. should they stop bugging? good post! (and no pots? wow, that is impressive. )

@Teaweasel: you raise some very good points in favor that bugging is cheating. i agree that if you are cheating that the least you can do is own up to it, as you said. Here is a follow up question to your post: if a person doesnt consider it cheating, how can they own up to it? i think part of what makes this topic interesting is that some say that it is and some say it isnt. Really good post!!!

@ revenge/Tog: follow up question: y do you think exploiting a glitch is not cheating? what is your def of a cheat? when does a glitch cross the line into a cheat? look forward to hearing from you!

@ H3ROBigG: since i am not able to use this tactic/cheat/glitch/ect, im not sure i can explain it fully but i will try. However, i am telling you it for the soul purpose of this thread so that u may contribute your opinion to it. it is where a ranger who is just out of range is able to attack a boss without it getting agressive and attacking the ranger. it has setbacks, one is that it takes a very long time, another is that if a player runs by it or disturbs it in anyway then it is reset and all the work you put into "bugging" it is gone.

And if anyone else wants to chime in on these follow up questions please do so!

Sincerely,

Lady Rosethorn of Rhiannon
Proud Member of Rapture Eve

Hi!

Thank you to everone who has given an opinion! Of course the goal of this thread is not to convince anyone of anything one way or the other, but to hear from different points of view.

@ MrTubaPerson: I agree that it is very much a team oriented game. Follow up question: consider that there are some people that are for whatever reason unable or unwilling to be part of a clan or group, bugging may very well be the only way to get anything from these bosses. should they stop bugging? good post! (and no pots? wow, that is impressive. )

@Teaweasel: you raise some very good points in favor that bugging is cheating. i agree that if you are cheating that the least you can do is own up to it, as you said. Here is a follow up question to your post: if a person doesnt consider it cheating, how can they own up to it? i think part of what makes this topic interesting is that some say that it is and some say it isnt. Really good post!!!

@ revenge/Tog: follow up question: y do you think exploiting a glitch is not cheating? what is your def of a cheat? when does a glitch cross the line into a cheat? look forward to hearing from you!

@ H3ROBigG: since i am not able to use this tactic/cheat/glitch/ect, im not sure i can explain it fully but i will try. However, i am telling you it for the soul purpose of this thread so that u may contribute your opinion to it. it is where a ranger who is just out of range is able to attack a boss without it getting agressive and attacking the ranger. it has setbacks, one is that it takes a very long time, another is that if a player runs by it or disturbs it in anyway then it is reset and all the work you put into "bugging" it is gone.

And if anyone else wants to chime in on these follow up questions please do so!

Sincerely,

Lady Rosethorn of Rhiannon
Proud Member of Rapture Eve

if what you say is right (LadyRosethorn@H3ROBigG) then all devs have to do to fix it is ramp up the aggro or something..?

Well I have seen people who don't want to be in any clan, just so that they can kind of keep options open for them. People who are unable to join any clan however, have probably done something really bad along the lines of scamming or just being really rude to people, and if they're not too far in the game they might want to switch worlds. If they are far in the game and their actions have made them unable to join a clan, then they should probably try to make up for it in whatever way possible (both of those suggestions are of course for people who actually want to join a clan). If they are unable to join a group (I'll assume for the discussion that this hypothetical person hasn't gotten on anyone's bad side), it is either because the group is full and they need to wait for the next spawn, it's an underdog group that has already taken away most of it's health and really doesn't particularly feel like sharing the drop, or it's a group that every member is in the clan that has a monopoly on most of the drops, such as in the case of my server. On my world, one clan takes down bosses so quickly, and have it down to such a science that they COMPLETELY control frag prices. For example, I was trying to buy an elm frag yesterday, and the selling price was 30k

And if they don't even want to join a group, why are they playing this game?

Thanks for the read!