Celtic Heroes

Great! Your guides are very helpful. I've thought about doing something similar before, but I've never had the time/motivation.

I think Armo should put a list of links at the top or bottom of his main guide..

I'll do that then.

By the way, when you said energy shield is broken in the sense that focus and ice magic aren't taken into account, how come this is the case? So is the number on the skill page actually different from what damage I'm blocking?

This is news for me.

Great work. While im not a main mage, i was thinking how else this could be useful.
Would the focus multiplier apply to all mage skills?
Could the fire magic multiplier be the same
as the ice magic?
And could all this be the same for Druids? I do remember noticing similar increments in skill dmg between mages and druids. Could be worth trying

By the way, when you said energy shield is broken in the sense that focus and ice magic aren't taken into account, how come this is the case? So is the number on the skill page actually different from what damage I'm blocking?

The energy shield damage that is shown in the skill page only scales with skill level and does not increase with focus or ice magic. You can try this yourself; look at your shield strength right now, use a rebirth book (so your focus is reset to 10), then look at it again. The number displayed does not budge. If you are still doubtful, try dumping all your stat points into focus. No change. The same thing happens when you equip an ice magic boosting item.

My guess is that OTM put in the wrong equation for energy shield on the skill page, so even though it says it depends on focus and ice magic, the shown number does not.

Now, I do not really know whether your true energy shield strength is higher because it scales with focus/ice magic (my gut tells me that the real shield is stronger). There is no certain way to test this because since the update, all damage types (even damage over time) fluctuate with low and high hits.

What I do know is that regardless of how strong your actual energy shield is, I cannot reverse engineer a formula for it until OTM fixes the skill page because I look at the displayed damage to do my equations. If the number shown is incorrect, then the formula will also be incorrect.

Would the focus multiplier apply to all mage skills?
Could the fire magic multiplier be the same
as the ice magic?

Yes, focus and ability increase all mage-specific skills, but it affects each skill differently. The coefficients (#s) in the formula will be different between skills, but the general form should be the same, which is:
Damage = [#(Skill)^2 + #(Skill) + #]*sqrt(Focus) + [#(Skill)^2 + #(Skill) + #]*sqrt(Ability) + #(Skill)^2 + #(Skill) + #
So for example, the fire magic multiplier for fire bolt would probably be different than the ice magic multiplier for ice shards.

And could all this be the same for Druids? I do remember noticing similar increments in skill dmg between mages and druids. Could be worth trying

The general form of the equation (above) should be the same for all the classes—I don't see why OTM would change it. But if you want me to do these formulas for druids or other classes after I've finished with mages, I'll need a high and low level druid character for testing, with a nice pile of alts and rebirths.

Someone did some testing with e shield a while back (deathcaps seems to do a flat 2k dmg so they are handy for testing e shield) and they came to the conclusion that the description is just faulty. Indeed, e shield is affected by focus and ability, but the description seems to not update (someone speculated that perhaps it shows the dmg that e shield takes in pvp, but idk there was actually any evidence to support that idea or not.)

Edit:
I found the old thread. Here it is: http://www.celtic-heroes.com/forum/view ... 4&start=60

I think Armo should put a list of links at the top or bottom of his main guide..

I'll do that then.

By the way, when you said energy shield is broken in the sense that focus and ice magic aren't taken into account, how come this is the case? So is the number on the skill page actually different from what damage I'm blocking?

This is news for me.

Yes, Bobert has already tested it, the dmg shown on skills page doesnt scale with focus and ice magic, it blocks more than it shows, although as Bobert said, its the dmg blocked at the arena, no other bonuses.

That's weird, thanks for the clarification.

Something wierd is happening with rings.
I have been compiling data to feed you for other skills, and wrote down all the numbers for bolt as well with my current build and all gear removed. The formula works fine up to my highest skill level (30), but then falls apart when I put on rings.
At 36, my listed dmg is 1605 with 435 foc, and 1375 fire magic. However the formula shows that my dmg should be 1577.8. That would require 27 more focus, or some combo of extra foc, and ability.

Could rings be giving us more than skill levels????

Remember that the formula is not precise; it is an estimator. Due to rounding and/or slightly different numbers used by me or OTM, you could very possibly get a number that is more off than usual. When I originally made the formula, I only took data points between skill levels 1 to 15 for my own convenience. That could have been what caused this inaccuracy.

Or OTM could have rounded numbers differently when they accounted for rings. I'm not really sure.

The formula works fine up to my highest skill level (30), but then falls apart when I put on rings.
At 36, my listed dmg is 1605 with 435 foc, and 1375 fire magic. However the formula shows that my dmg should be 1577.8. That would require 27 more focus, or some combo of extra foc, and ability.

Could rings be giving us more than skill levels????

To answer your question, try looking at percent error:
Percent error = |(Predicted value)-(Actual value)| / (Actual value) = |1577.8-1605| / 1605 = 27.2/1605 = 0.017 = 1.7% error

1.7% error is fairly bad, but I wouldn't say that my formula is "falling apart" quite yet, and I don't think that rings are the issue either.

Sorry... I did not mean to aim that at your formula :/

But there was better accuracy with the high level example you used. I would assume that the percent difference would increase as levels went up if the formula itself was off. That is why I wondered about the rings having some hidden stats. In addition, the inaccuracies happened fairly fast after 'natural' skill levels.