Celtic Heroes

First of let me say this. I get what you are saying and I agree that there are exceptions. However, usually there is a better solution than leaving the clan. For instance in the situation you gave, as a general you are in a position to kick most people in clan. Also, as most people in end game clans are relatively mature adults, if the person harassing you was a general, the rest of the generals/chieftain would probably not have a problem stripping that rank from that person.

Why would u leave if u feel sexually harassed? In Belenus the females have large dominance, and why would u not kick the one harassing her? Its a too rare case to decide the matter for.

All edls can be soloed at 4* and rather easily taken at 5* too, and they're no-trade as well as much easier to get. To own an extremely scarce and powerful item, lets say a void mordy helm (victory for example, moon is too unlikely), such an item definitely belongs to the clan, its the clan's effort to get that.

"Its just a game" is the usual excuse to be a douche.

Ok, this game is all about having fun and helping each other progress throughout the game. If someone wants to leave because they disagreed with the clan rules, then so be it, whatever makes them happy. Most dominant clans give out gear based on their participation and loyalty, that being said I'm sure most of these players have worked to get their gear. This gear was handed to them almost in a way of saying, thanks for your participation. So what if they left with drops, they earned it. What is not ok is when people leave the clan after aquiring a drop right after a boss and they did not donate it. We had this incident happen with our clan when snorri finally dropped a yellow crown (we are currently having a difficult time gearing dl weapons) and it landed on a particular player that has a shaky attitude. Once she got the crown she decided to give it to her friend who wasn't in our clan. We missed out on a dl quiver because of this incident and we all know how rare crowns are.

I think almost anyone here would agree that dl and edl components are clan property. The real question would concern something like a void necral dagger that was given to a member by the clan, to help the clan in future boss fights. If that member leaves, does he return it? I'm pretty sure if edl could be traded there would be plenty of clans wanting that back too. Where do you draw the line? Should a member leave a clan so unequipped that he can no longer fight? Ummm no. He didn't come into the clan that way, nor should he leave that way. Many members pass down their older items as the clan gives them better ones. You can't expect them to leave naked or in worse shape than they arrived in.

I'm pretty sure generals or the chief of the clan would take the dagger instead of it being handed to a clans man or recruit. Generals usually get first dibs on drops so that scenario was pretty unrealistic. If it were to happen I would probably guess that the player that got the dagger worked very very hard to get the chief/generals approval. So if he left it would've been a fair game, he done his part as a member and helped the clan, and his reward was the void dagger

Why would u leave if u feel sexually harassed? In Belenus the females have large dominance, and why would u not kick the one harassing her? Its a too rare case to decide the matter for.

I totally agree. I also agree that clan drops should benefit the clan. I do not agree, however, that a player has to leave naked because they have already passed down their other gear to clannies as they were upgrading. That type system would discourage passing gear down at all. I think there has to be some flexibility. Void items, sure...leave those with the clan. Event items, that you helped earn? Err not so much. Jewelry, meh?

^^^^That is a very good question...which I personally don't know if I can give an answer. I would say just don't leave in the first place at all. But if you must leave, unless you soloed necro to get that dagger, it is only right for you to give it up, because the whole reason it was given to you was so that you could help clan. If it was known that you would leave, it would have been given to someone else. However, if I was the clan chief or ruling council, I would let them keep it until they had farmed enough gold to buy, or had received from their new clan, a passable weapon for their level

You have no idea how strict the clans in taranis are, it's like a dictator ship lol. There is a clan in taranis that is currently rebelling against these clans which has torn apart taranis drama wise.

I have to wonder is your server so boring you have to imagine what others must be like.

First let me point out that every player has the right to play the game in any way they want. Their device, their account and their choice.

What is funny is how some of them (small but vocal minority) cry about the consequence of there actions.

As to the OP I don't think a new player leveling in stonevale is ready to be judged.

Spit
Happy member of Tanaris who has not noticed any strange dictatorships or been particularly bothered by the other clans that want to do there own thing.

Great discussion - always funny how the troll who thinks he is a veteran of Taranis' endgame continues to make the same arguments that got multiple threads locked on the Taranis board.. Oh well.

Just to clarify:

Taranis's population is declining.

Well.. Yes, but it is important to know who is leaving. If you make a list of everyone who has transferred out of Taranis in the past six months, you will find that 100% of those people were either Benevolence or clanless. Not a single Aeon, Pride, or Paradogz member has transferred out.. And I quite honestly can not think of the last time one did.

On top of this, Taranis continues to have 36% more 220+ characters than the average iOS server (with Taranis not included in that average).

Taranis's endgame clans are oppressive.

Keep talking.. Allowing solo players to camp/kill DL with other clans, allowing any clan to camp/kill EDL with other clans, allowing any clan to join raid boss rotations with equal status as Aeon/Pride, allowing players to Elix without worry of KS, allowing players to kill bosses without worrying about Griefing, and allowing clans to schedule raid boss kills at the time of their choosing so the maximum volume of people can participate and enjoy the game is really "oppressive".

Oh, and the price of all this is: if you join a clan that says "we require that you return any raid gear we give you upon leaving", you return your raid gear upon leaving. If you don't want to join a clan with clan property rules, no problem - there are endgame clans without it. Yep, Taranis' endgame clans are the definition of oppression.

If the rebel clan was allowed in rotations Taranis would kill Gelebron.

False. If we wanted, Gelebron could have been killed long ago, however Aeon and Pride have little interest in mixing to take him down. Thinking that we would want to mix with players who recently have been trying to dismantle the endgame alliance (and who only have ~13 active characters who can reach Gele) is rediculous. Not to mention the following..

The rebel clan has been dominating bosses.

Yes, they has been actively killing DL and some EDL (although they tend to struggle greatly/reset with 5*s and 6*s). Although it is worth noting that in the past seven weeks Benevolence has successfully locked one raid boss: Aggy during a server reset ~4 weeks ago while Aeon and Pride were at Mord/Hrung. Bene caught us off guard at the beginning (yet were never able to lock anything higher than Hrungnir), however since those first few weeks the Union clans have stepped up their game.

Taranis has found great success with the together-but-seperate endgame clans system. I highly recommend it - each clan has their own unique culture and group of players, and they can set their raid boss kills to times that best suit their population. If you have the opprotunity to create such a system now, do it! It is easy to cause chaos, but difficult to form order.. So if you have a window allowing such alliances, take advantage of it.

If you want to know what Taranis is like, talk to the endgame players on the server - not forum trolls who think flaming on the forums and spreading lies about a server they are unfamiliar with is going to cause some sort of server revolution; or that by getting uninformed players from other servers to agree with misinformed claims will somehow pressure our leaders to disintegrate the endgame order we have created. Taranis does not use the forums for their mode of communication. That doesn't mean we are a small server.

Having consequences for ones action is apart of life. That being said a blacklist shouldn't be permanent and should be fully explained to the person or persons before being given out. It's not something to be done lightly and only once all other options have been exhausted.

As for the gear belonging to clan I disagree all clans have some criteria before being given the gear. I do think individuals should hand down or give back gear if upgraded. Void and godly items even imperial are a gray area for many. There's no right answer in that circumstance because of otms horribly designed loot tables. I myself would be stuck on that decision but I would never leave my clan either.

Oh boy, 7 Pages of....Sigh...In response to the OP-

God this person sounds like such a douche! YES Blacklist him.

If he wants to waste his life just tryin to grief (sitting in one spot for 4 hours??) then he can Enjoy the rest of his days flying solo- let him try to get anywhere THAT way. If he wants to be a punk then make his life Hell until he finally realizes the gravity of the situation. He will have two options-

A) Continue to try and "grief" You and others, and find that he will never get anywhere.

Or

B) He asks for forgiveness, turns completely around, and you give him the benefit of the doubt and give him a chance.

But something tells me he'd choose Option A considering how he alrady acted.


And who cares if Wisdom Lixes cost 500g. If I spend 10g on a stamp and then throw it away that's still wasted money, even if it's small compared to the rest of my gold. If you pop a lix and then get interrupted and end up having to go somewhere else you can lose alot of time on a lix.

"Its just a game" is the usual excuse to be a douche.

Exactly.