Celtic Heroes

Hi there, currently there is a bug where rogues can cast sneak attack without being hidden even if the enemy is hostile and attacks them before the skill is completed.

We could change this so that rogues need to be hidden to cast sneak attack, also we could consider changing assassinate so that it only works if the rogue is hidden or behind the enemy or some other type of requirement.

Would be great to hear your thoughts on this.

You absolutely have to fix the Sneak bug, so you must be hidden or have Camo on to use it. The other 90% of Celitc Heroes history has always required this.

Tog

Yes, but when it was like this, it originally was 2-3x more effective (before all updates) its been nerfed in every update due to ksing, if they fix this 'bug' they will have to also at LEAST double dmg to avoid every single rogue raging on forums, why? Cuz itd would take 60 *** skill points for a skill that has 1 minute cooldown, costs 140-250 energy, and only deals 2-4 auto attacks of damage

Yeah it use to do more for the skill points with 15 old points in sneaky versus 30 today doing near the same damage. Although other classes may have this same problem.

i think all classes have alot of skill issues


i personally feel rogues need the boost because we are no longer the kings of dps that we used to be, dps is the only really feasible rogue build, and to have our skills lower our dps for the most part sucks




on a side note guffy, you were right about qs not covering an auto as it has instant cast

rend sneak and assass however do cover autos as that is the point of having a cast time, it just shows up as swinging on other screens, though you dont actually do damage

i just tested

Hi there, currently there is a bug where rogues can cast sneak attack without being hidden even if the enemy is hostile and attacks them before the skill is completed.

We could change this so that rogues need to be hidden to cast sneak attack, also we could consider changing assassinate so that it only works if the rogue is hidden or behind the enemy or some other type of requirement.

Would be great to hear your thoughts on this.

You absolutely have to fix the Sneak bug, so you must be hidden or have Camo on to use it. The other 90% of Celitc Heroes history has always required this.

Tog

Dude, Tog whatever your name is. If your main character not even a rogue please don't comment on a rogue category cause its not like you mages have a big requirement to use energy shield, and your comment seems like it's aiming out to have us rogues even more nerf'd just so it can benefit you when it comes to pvp or anything else that "you" would love rogues nerf'd at like honesty you would have to think this wouldn't be fair for us rogues and after all we can't really use "Sneaky" when an ememy first attacks us, plus… anyways it makes sense not having to be "hidden" to use "Sneaky" on mobs, cause most mobs and boss can't even see a high lvl from close so it would only make no sense that you should need to cast hide each time if rogues wants to use sneaky. "Hide should only be an option, and most useful for low lvl rogues who fight mobs between 1-80 that actually have problems with enemies being able to see them from far. So please don't be trying to get us rogues even more nerf'd. Smh!

My rogue doesn't have radiant, and i do not have a bunch of high dmg rings, but I carry high damage weps, and have, what i think is a pretty good setup.

I can be beaten in pvp by just about any other class (at my level) when one on one, and have been out DPSed by warriors and mages at lower levels than me.

Now, I could be wrong about my setup, but at my level, with the points i can distribute, and my only real option as a rogue being DPS - it should be difficult to screw it up too much.

I am not complaining about the fact that i don't always get the kill... but when a warrior can be a tank AND do the amount of damage they can, or any class doing H2H with a good offhand (the same as mine) and a few dmg rings can outDPS my frozen dagger AND fulfill a support role while they are at it... I do start to feel a little nerfed.

And my two centavos on sneaky... I do actually prefer being able to get one off early in the fight, even unhidden. It is possible for someone to do something surprising while you are looking right at them (the same way the yellow mobs aren't aggressive until attacked) - but once the fight is going, it is appropriate that it not work anymore.

Hi there, currently there is a bug where rogues can cast sneak attack without being hidden even if the enemy is hostile and attacks them before the skill is completed.

We could change this so that rogues need to be hidden to cast sneak attack, also we could consider changing assassinate so that it only works if the rogue is hidden or behind the enemy or some other type of requirement.

Would be great to hear your thoughts on this.

You absolutely have to fix the Sneak bug, so you must be hidden or have Camo on to use it. The other 90% of Celitc Heroes history has always required this.

Tog

Dude, Tog whatever your name is. If your main character not even a rogue please don't comment on a rogue category cause its not like you mages have a big requirement to use energy shield, and your comment seems like it's aiming out to have us rogues even more nerf'd just so it can benefit you when it comes to pvp or anything else that "you" would love rogues nerf'd at like honesty you would have to think this wouldn't be fair for us rogues and after all we can't really use "Sneaky" when an ememy first attacks us, plus… anyways it makes sense not having to be "hidden" to use "Sneaky" on mobs, cause most mobs and boss can't even see a high lvl from close so it would only make no sense that you should need to cast hide each time if rogues wants to use sneaky. "Hide should only be an option, and most useful for low lvl rogues who fight mobs between 1-80 that actually have problems with enemies being able to see them from far. So please don't be trying to get us rogues even more nerf'd. Smh!

That's just my opinion. I have had a Rogue as my main for two updates worth worth of play. Right when the game came out in July 2011, Rogues with their Hide skills were the only ones who could easily make the journey from the stairs at the entrance of the "Sivercowl" room, to make it to the hallway of the Avatar's room, where the jucy exp mobs were. Then, a group of Rogues would take turn sneaking the mobs in the Avatar's hallway, or hide in the "wall glitch". We joked that the game should have been called "Rogue Heroes" instead of Celtic.

Then, just prior the most recent update, Rouges again ruled the game. Packs of 100% rogues roamed the servers, taking down Deadroot and Falgren at will. My Rogue was again my main to keep up. So, please don't tell me I don't know much about Rogues. Admin wanted opinions, that was mine. I used to have to use Hide to sneak, I was shocked when it wasn't a requirement any longer.

Tog

[quote="admin"Hi there, currently there is a bug where rogues can cast sneak attack without being hidden even if the enemy is hostile and attacks them before the skill is completed.

We could change this so that rogues need to be hidden to cast sneak attack, also we could consider changing assassinate so that it only works if the rogue is hidden or behind the enemy or some other type of requirement.

Would be great to hear your thoughts on this.

You absolutely have to fix the Sneak bug, so you must be hidden or have Camo on to use it. The other 90% of Celitc Heroes history has always required this.

Tog

Dude, Tog whatever your name is. If your main character not even a rogue please don't comment on a rogue category cause its not like you mages have a big requirement to use energy shield, and your comment seems like it's aiming out to have us rogues even more nerf'd just so it can benefit you when it comes to pvp or anything else that "you" would love rogues nerf'd at like honesty you would have to think this wouldn't be fair for us rogues and after all we can't really use "Sneaky" when an ememy first attacks us, plus… anyways it makes sense not having to be "hidden" to use "Sneaky" on mobs, cause most mobs and boss can't even see a high lvl from close so it would only make no sense that you should need to cast hide each time if rogues wants to use sneaky. "Hide should only be an option, and most useful for low lvl rogues who fight mobs between 1-80 that actually have problems with enemies being able to see them from far. So please don't be trying to get us rogues even more nerf'd. Smh!

That's just my opinion. I have had a Rogue as my main for two updates worth worth of play. Right when the game came out in July 2011, Rogues with their Hide skills were the only ones who could easily make the journey from the stairs at the entrance of the "Sivercowl" room, to make it to the hallway of the Avatar's room, where the jucy exp mobs were. Then, a group of Rogues would take turn sneaking the mobs in the Avatar's hallway, or hide in the "wall glitch". We joked that the game should have been called "Rogue Heroes" instead of Celtic.

Then, just prior the most recent update, Rouges again ruled the game. Packs of 100% rogues roamed the servers, taking down Deadroot and Falgren at will. My Rogue was again my main to keep up. So, please don't tell me I don't know much about Rogues. Admin wanted opinions, that was mine. I used to have to use Hide to sneak, I was shocked when it wasn't a requirement any longer.

Tog[/quote] sorry tog, I've played rogues every update since last October, and obviously rogues have changed completely just like every class did when update 3 came (tis why otm gave everyone rebirth books) so if you haven't played rogues since this update you haven't experienced problems with sneaky or quickstike etc. and this update is what we are discussing. It doesn't matter how awesome and op rogues pre update were, they have problems now

Ok, that could be Hayto. The Rogues once again rule Sulis, especially with their near 100% Vitality, damage rings, and Radiant armor builds. Just seems like a nerf might be in order, for "class balance". Rogues stay up longer in a fight with this build, and deal out the most damage.

Tog,
On rosemerta there are about six or so people who use radiant armorwith skill rings. Six thats it. Last I checked I donthave 800k to 1million for a radiant bp and im sure as can be that no one sells their godly firefang rings. This rogues status should not be based on the pimped out full radiant lux godly select few. It should be on the hundreds of others who can't seem to do any damage without extreme gear. Idm if u have full radiant, so what, but I along with many others would not like the games stats to be revolved around those of u who do.

Tog,
On rosemerta there are about six or so people who use radiant armorwith skill rings. Six thats it. Last I checked I donthave 800k to 1million for a radiant bp and im sure as can be that no one sells their godly firefang rings. This rogues status should not be based on the pimped out full radiant lux godly select few. It should be on the hundreds of others who can't seem to do any damage without extreme gear. Idm if u have full radiant, so what, but I along with many others would not like the games stats to be revolved around those of u who do.

Makes sense I guess.