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Re: Fix the broken warrior no all warrior want to be tanks

#51
Fromen,

You seem to have gone from a conversation about changes to warriors to a conversation about refunds.

First the conversation about warriors, which is really a conversation about classes.

In my experience so far, the warrior, as it is, is the most balanced class in the game. It is not the most flexible. I think mages are probably the most flexible. Druids can spec as healers, general support or dps. A pure heal Druid is much more efficient in terms of effect you get for points spent... If you just want dps then other classes a better. You may habe fun playing a dps Druid and rock that build, but in terms of points spent for dps you will never match other classes if they have specialized their build for dps. Warriors are like this too. Rogues can build to tank. In terms of effect for points spent, they are much more effective as dps.

You can specialize or generalize a warrior in several different ways, all of which are viable and all of which involve making trade offs.

So far the only actual argument you have made is that you do not like what you percieve to be the changes in the game. Ok. Find another way to play. Find another game. It seems to me that your difficulty with this is that you do not want to lose the money you have already spent. It is spent. It is gone. You seem to think that you were spending money on some tangible 'thing'. You were not. There is no 'thing' involved.

You express some regret over having spent that money on a game that changed in a way you do not like. You seem to think that having soent this money entitles you to something beyond the gaming experience you have aleady had. This leads us to the refund conversation.

I have a very different experience with Apple. Please review the user agreement for ITunes. You will discover that all purchases, including IAPs are considered final. That is, the policy is one of no refunds for anything. They sometimes break this policy, but it is arbitrary. They do not even apply the exceptions the same way in all cases. That is, two people may be in the exact same situation. They may write the exact same letter to the exact same part of Apple. One of them might get a refund and one might not. They might both get refunds. It might be that neither of them get a refund. In great part it depends on the particular customer service person you get and how they are interpreting policy on that day. It is worth a try and might work out, but there is no guarantee of that whatsoever, in my experience.

Furthermore, nothing about the game requires you to spend any money. Ever. None. You made that choice. It is a free game! You spent money based on expectations that you yourself created and do not really exist anywhere else. Now you feel that those self created expectations have been violated and you are upset. I am not saying you should or should not be upset. I am merely observing what seems to be the structure of it.

You have no legal rights, per se. They changed the game. They own the game. You do not. They could cancel your account tomorrow for no reason. That would be a big change. You could pursue this if it happened and you might get some satisfaction from Apple, but it is not guaranteed or even likely. In fact it is unlikely and would not be good business practice for Apple as a policy. People play through games and get 'done' with them. Some of them are far more finite than CH in their play duration.

You have no guarantee that the game will exist tomorrow or be maintained in any way after this moment. Nothing. There is no contract of this sort involved. If the game or app is actively removed from iTunes that is a different case, but that is not the case here.

I have done this with itunes they have refund some purcharse from bad developers and even
From OTM so do your homework before you talk. Is little secret out if any1 ever raise complaint and goes to court and make a legal precedent against " app in purcharse bussiness will be the end of this pratice so they will. Never allowed to got anywhere near arbitration or court"
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Re: Fix the broken warrior no all warrior want to be tanks

#53
Fromen,
I do not think I can intelligently engage with you any longer... I mean quoting me without adding anything of your own...

And no, radiant armor does not add any damage advantages for a spell caster, so I am going to have to more outwardly disagree with your claim.

Radiant does have potential bonus to a caster. The elemental damage from radiant is added to wand damage. Many mages use an elemental golden blade for this reason.

But a group support only druid, mabye not, although the defense would help a lot.
Point taken. I will be sticking to items which more directly boost the effectiveness of my heals and buffs, but thats just me.

Back to Fromen, it would seem here that we are all on the same page. The developers have put out some incredible armor, I would argue it is not ideal for froup support druids, but that might be the only exception, anyone who deals damage or takes hits will like Radiant.
Fromen you are saying that with these powerful new items other classes can assume more tank-oriented roles and dish out better damage than you. Maybe so... But they will still not be able to be as good at taking as you assuming you are also in this gear. Maybe that doesnt matter on every creature because your defense would be overkill, especially with good druid heals and buffs, but this game is dynamic, there will always be harder things to fight. Someday our friends may need you to put on that radiant, go full tank, and hold down the next big boss! We all need to understand that different classes will be better in certain situations, it may feel like nerfing, but only for a while when that new boss is popular. Take this from a true observer, a non-damage dealing druid there to heal in every fight. I watch characters excel and underwhelm in different scenarios, but a bit of overkill tanking is always alright with me. My advice, focus on being the best tank you can be and dont worry about whether you can out dps the dps classes, they will never out-tank you...



Listen why i will want be a tank why or better why i got to Be force to be tank , if you read the whole tread im sayin why a
Warrior got be a tank and tank only . Screw that you choose to be a druid you knew was support class, they nerfted the warrior If a year ago this was difference between classes i had chpse a rogue , but 2k dollars later and a year of playing hell no .you can see if you had play long enough how bad it is Now. A group of warrior we always loose the battle against other class dps period .
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Re: Fix the broken warrior no all warrior want to be tanks

#54
Listen why i will want be a tank why or better why i got to Be force to be tank , if you read the whole tread im sayin why a
Warrior got be a tank and tank only . Screw that you choose to be a druid you knew was support class, they nerfted the warrior If a year ago this was difference between classes i had chpse a rogue , but 2k dollars later and a year of playing hell no .you can see if you had play long enough how bad it is Now. A group of warrior we always loose the battle against other class dps period .
Well i know a way how a war can have higher dps than rouges and some of the 130 rangers but thats my little secret :)
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Re: Fix the broken warrior no all warrior want to be tanks

#55
Listen why i will want be a tank why or better why i got to Be force to be tank , if you read the whole tread im sayin why a
Warrior got be a tank and tank only . Screw that you choose to be a druid you knew was support class, they nerfted the warrior If a year ago this was difference between classes i had chpse a rogue , but 2k dollars later and a year of playing hell no .you can see if you had play long enough how bad it is Now. A group of warrior we always loose the battle against other class dps period .
Well i know a way how a war can have higher dps than rouges and some of the 130 rangers but thats my little secret :)
What aggravate me more is people voice their opinion without even tested the stuff at same time im traning 3 classes at same time ( 3 idevices ) and the rogue always will get the kill ( warrior 70, mage 68 , rogue 60, )


No need to know the class is broken , no matter what build u got or what wep will be slow compare to other class i cant no deal 3k in the first 10 second no matter what a warrior equip. Is about how the games dinnamics is now how skills work 2 and how bad the rotation of the warrior is . And i will no be hook on hate elixirs to compete even if used a rogue used one is a double loss.
Test was done without gear on rogue vs warrior Or noob weps with the same or relative close speed
1st hit. 3 sec faster in getting to target from same distance
Quickhit 3 sec faster then pummel to cast 3 sec faster to reload
Slash / qsneak attack about the same time but the slower of the warrior weapon the winner is the Rogue sneak atack cause 30% more damage . Nah no Build will help.
Last edited by Fromen on Wed Aug 22, 2012 2:50 am, edited 1 time in total.
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Re: Fix the broken warrior no all warrior want to be tanks

#56
all classes were changed for the better or worse. Warriors should not be able to out dps a rogue or ranger they are dps classes. Warriors are made for tanking not dps as their weapons are very slow, and they dont have alot of attack. rogues and rangers have high damage attack speed and attack so they hit faster and miss less. Also warriors arent the only class that got nerfed, my rogue's quickstrike is less than half of what it was at lvl 92 before the update i also lost about 600 damage off of sneaky attack so its not like warriors were the only ones that got nerfed.
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Herne
Lvl 128+ Rogue

Re: Fix the broken warrior no all warrior want to be tanks

#57
The developers have done an excellent job of better distinguishing class roles. A warrior should not be able to out dps a rogue of similar level. You cannot have it all. As a druid it would be absurd for me to ask to be able to do damage on par with a mage right? Warriors are super valuable. Really every class is amazing. You do get some wiggle room to chose more defensive or offensive orientations, but not to the extent that you can be on par with an offensive class. Warriors and Druids will (rightfully so) not be able to out damage a similar level Mage, Rogue, Ranger. But, those classes will never be able to tank as well as a warrior, or Heal and buff like a Druid.

If I am really reading into your message correctly, it is that you made your warrior during a time when you had the best of both worlds. Warriors could out damage rogues and also respec to be tremendous tanks. Now things have changed and rather than making a rogue if you want to be all out dps, you are upset because you have lost your offensive edge.

I got a druid and believe me if u get the rigth gear and abilities you can cause a lot damage The druid is perfect as is your choice if you be a healer or damage druid. You can choose how to play as druid .

we warriors cannot Choose you are tank or a tank and yes im upset as warrior because i Got nerfted when you start playing a year go you choose a class you pick it a class you choose to be a druid and complanit of disvantage your class have and the devs make u better , ok I choose to raise my warrior and druid over my rogue, ranger , mage. Because that was class to be. And inverted time and money on it , why a year later I got get fked just asking
Wait what so devs will refund me all the platinum and change all my gear and weapons to rogue. That way i can make a new rogue , in the bussines world i could sued for that when you change something the bad , better then what about the devs, Change my chart to a rogue with the same lvl and all warrior weps get fully refunded and all armor change to rogues or ranger i can live with that , the way i can enjoy it been fully dps , and dot feel like i waisted my time .
Sorry I'm a little OCD, * nerfed
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Re: Fix the broken warrior no all warrior want to be tanks

#58
I have 'done my homework'. Refund policy is random. It is also counter to apple policy. You have gotten lucky. That's all. I said that could happen. I also said that you can't count on it. I have gotten refunds. I have also been refused refunds. I have talked to many people who have attempted to get refunds.

I am probably done with this conversation since I don't think you are actually wanting to be in a conversation, but simply wanting to complain about something and be right. Hope it all works out for you and you get what you want from that.
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Re: Fix the broken warrior no all warrior want to be tanks

#59
all classes were changed for the better or worse. Warriors should not be able to out dps a rogue or ranger they are dps classes. Warriors are made for tanking not dps as their weapons are very slow, and they dont have alot of attack. rogues and rangers have high damage attack speed and attack so they hit faster and miss less. Also warriors arent the only class that got nerfed, my rogue's quickstrike is less than half of what it was at lvl 92 before the update i also lost about 600 damage off of sneaky attack so its not like warriors were the only ones that got nerfed.


But if you go 1 vrs 1 againts a warrior for a kill Who will win, like i said before was 50/50 because mobs health was small, but damage done per sec who will win., nah because you are rogue ,
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